It's January 2007 in Iraq

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best war ever

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

But where's the reason for this whole war? Where is...

http://zoza.com/~kniwt/obama_osama.jpg ?

StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

the tendency to focus on deaths alone understates the real scale of the carnage.

Especially given that many of those people alive would have been dead if they had suffered similar wounds in Vietnam. Medical technology has advanced to the point where many can now survive them, but it's pretty grim. Hearing the Usual Suspects say "Well jeez, it's nothing compared to the amount of people dead in Vietnam, Rumsfeld was the greatest!" etc. ignore that salient point time and again -- thanks to the timing of history, it could and most likely would have been so *much* worse, and that's cold comfort.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

In light of that, this seems even more appropriate:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h58/doonesburyc/db061214.gif
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h58/doonesburyc/db061216.gif

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

surge surge surge

Chuck Hagel now calling bullshit(and also mentioned earlier over the break that he's probably ducking out of politics after his term ends), Joe Lieb and Warner running defense.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

The story to which Ned linked upthread has this criticism, repreated with greater intensity as the war has killed more people:

"The fatal flaw was when right after September 11 the president asked everyone to go on with their lives. That set the stage for no one sacrificing," said a Special Forces team sergeant who recently served in Iraq. "That's why they aren't behind it, because they don't have a stake in this war. They aren't losing or gaining anything. If you don't see it, smell it, feel it, how are you connected?"

The president also urged Americans to go shopping sometime before Xmas.

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

oh yeah, and about that speech
...The BBC was told by a senior administration source that the speech setting out changes in Mr Bush's Iraq policy is likely to come in the middle of next week.

Its central theme will be sacrifice.

The speech, the BBC has been told, involves increasing troop numbers.

The exact mission of the extra troops in Iraq is still under discussion, according to officials, but it is likely to focus on providing security rather than training Iraqi forces...

So let's brainstorm what possibilities he could take to prove how serious he is about this "sacrifice." Send the Twins over to USO tours?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

such a vile combination of stupidity and ego

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

SYNTH SOLO

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link


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