Sandbox Pop Thread

yeah that interested me too - though i wonder how much effort she was putting into it given that she knew it was only the first take

it has led me into a place where i am singing along to madonna's "american pie" and enjoying myself though :o

It's not the lack of effort - she gives it some on the bits she seems more sure of. (Unless she is actually writing the track as she goes along, which it does sound like in places.) It is, literally, what a pro pop vocal take sounds like, without reverb, step delay, chorus, phasing - let alone autotune or whatever else they throw at it to make it sit in the track.

Also, now listening to the released version, how much of it is double tracked (poor man's autotune.)

Any thoughts on this http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/dec/14/isolationist-british-pop?intcmp=ILCMUSTXT9385 ?

this is pretty weak

There are lots of things we'll accept Europeans, that undifferentiated mass encompassing everyone from Estonians to the Portuguese, are quite good at – cinema, sex, cheese-making, and so on, but pop music remains a sticking point for many.

think you could generalise reasonably that the same people who actively follow European cinema won't have a dismissive attitude towards Euro pop either unless they're sneery about pop in general...

and he doesn't actually offer examples of decent euro pop, only refers to the more mono (or pan) cultural guetta, afrojack and stan as if they're a on a (credible) par with most old italo and new beat "hits"

idk, i think 'lol French pop' is still a very common attitude in the UK - way more than 'lol French cinema ever would be. It's always frustrating to see articles in the press (including the Guardian, btw) starting off 'France may have a totally undistinguished history of pop....'. It seems to be a fairly common attitude to a number of other countries. Perhaps i spend more time than most people looking at the comments on Eurovision or on the few bits and pieces that break through into the UK media but 'wft does Germany know about pop?' or 'when did Italy produce a band as good as The Beatles' crop up fairly regularly.

There are links to Mylene Farmer, Yelle and Magic System in the text and, at the bottom, a link to two articles on German and Polish chart music.

New Christina Aguilera single next month, apparently. She's meant to be working with Max Martin.

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/20/rihanna-responds-to-slur-in-dutch-magazine/

well this is charming

i don't understand how it was possible for even a dutch magazine to do that! i haven't been able to find out what kind of magazine jackie is (ie whether dodgy racial stuff is in character for them etc).

amusingly, on the popjustice forum there are about 4 current mammoth rihanna threads on the go, filled with all conceivable minutiae about her current campaign, and yet no one has seen fit to mention this stuff yet.

idg Dutch attitudes towards people of African heritage. Not saying, of course, that every person in the Netherlands is bigoted, but this kind of thing seems to come up every year or two.

so has anyone seen the La's in their latest round of shows? Playing New York in March.

http://www.bowerypresents.com/event/84857/

(sorry that's about as POP as I get)

this song is still my shit

willow is the baddest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7AQ7No84Uc&ob=av2e

idg Dutch attitudes towards people of African heritage. Not saying, of course, that every person in the Netherlands is bigoted, but this kind of thing seems to come up every year or two.

or every Christmas, even

whoa

can't stop listening. it's so rainy & dark outside and this is perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2v1N2q0sxs&fmt=18#

That's fantastic.

oh my god that taylor song

she is the perfect person to do a dystopia lullaby

So hilarious that if she wasn't singing and this was just The Civil Wars by themselves, the poster of this track would've been run off the pop thread by an angry mob.