Jordan, Dumars, Bowen, Billups.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:49 (twelve years ago) link
naw the rockets made out like bandits, they must be hating life right now
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:33 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
I just don't see going all in on Pau here. I think they would have remained mediocre.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:50 (twelve years ago) link
Pau could rebound I guess but the end of that season was terrifying.
chauncey billups: lockdown 2 guard.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:48 AM (6 minutes ago)
billups is a solid defender against the 2, has lost a step and gets burned by quick points but yeah can guard the 2 ok
― k3vin k., Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:56 (twelve years ago) link
ugh why won't the trade machine upgrade
― k3vin k., Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:57 (twelve years ago) link
i do think the veto was fishy, but like ive said it all stems from the fact that the nba owns a team which is just completely insane and really twists the whole concept of the league as a disinterested arbiter, im much happier w/the way things turned out, it wouldve been ridiculous for paul to be traded for a bag of donuts, particularly by a team owned by the league, which just obvs shows what a jackpot stern was in once the original trade was announced
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:33 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
I don't see the problem. The majority of the media thought it was an ok to good trade for the Hornets. A significant portion of the media thought it was very bad for LA. What's the problem? The problem was a few owners got super butthurt because they happened to think LA was pulling off another Pau deal. Even if the Hornets got totally fucked on the deal, everyone would just blame Demps. Who cares? Is the franchise sale value of the hornets really going to be affected that much? It would probably be negated in overall revenue from keeping the Lakers in the elite.
Stern showed really weak leadership and got bullied by a bunch of hot headed children.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:57 (twelve years ago) link
Like you may think the trade was "ridiculous," but I don't think that's how it would have played in the short term. The media liked the deal for NOH!
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:00 (twelve years ago) link
its true they did, im sort of baffled as to why, other than like paul has been underrated his whole career, even then tho
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:03 (twelve years ago) link
because you hate Martin more than just about anyone man
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:04 (twelve years ago) link
hes just not notably good at basketball!
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:05 (twelve years ago) link
bee tee dubsif the minnesota pick ended up being 8th or later, I would still prefer the original deal, because I think Gordon is overrated.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:05 (twelve years ago) link
we're talking about a 45-36 shooter with an injury history here
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:06 (twelve years ago) link
I think the writers, like me, are noting that the Hornets would be adding 3 immediate starters at positions of need, all of whom are above average playres.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:07 (twelve years ago) link
well obvs theres a lot of variables, but at least theres a chance of a future instead of some guys who you know exactly what youre getting and its nowhere near as good as chris paul - you cant really say of the pick is 8th or worse then i dont like it, what you traded for was a probability not a certainty, its perfectly common to make the right play and for it to not turn out, the future is not certain
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:09 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but the variability is why I don't think this deal is way better. Just better.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:10 (twelve years ago) link
i mean having three p good starters what does it get you, thats what was killing me abt all the analysis is there was just no strategic thinking going on what so ever, hey you got a few good starters, oh where does that get you in three years *shrugs*
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:11 (twelve years ago) link
tankapaloozas are fine but there's something to be said for winning 50 games and not having the franchise fold.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:17 (twelve years ago) link
It gets you... 3 solid starters to build around. Draft a good pg and you're going somewhere.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:18 (twelve years ago) link
honestly the more I think about it... I like the Melo deal way more.
well melo is a worse player, and the players sent back were younger
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:20 (twelve years ago) link
they got more pieces, this deal is basically just gordon and a pick.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:21 (twelve years ago) link
also trading unprotected firsts far in the future is just total amateur hour
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:23 (twelve years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:18 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
its really hard to build around quality starters in the nba, you can only really build around stars, sometimes you can trade those starters for stars, but due to the particularities of the draft and the salary cap its nearly impossible to add a star to solid starters, which is why teams want young players and draft picks back for stars, theyre trying to get another star
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:24 (twelve years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:21 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
yeah but gordon both gordon and the pick have a higher ceiling than anyone the nuggs got
I don't see it with gordon man...
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:26 (twelve years ago) link
why does he have a higher ceiling than danilo?
gordon just hasn't gotten better.
he's been the same 45% shooting, undersized 2. He's a nice player but Danilo is a nice player too.
danilo has done literally nothing but shoot threes in the nba, gordon is like an actual basketball player, likely neither of them are remembered for long, but such is life in this crazy league we call the nba
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:29 (twelve years ago) link
naw dude, danilo is really good at drawing fouls.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:30 (twelve years ago) link
plus he's not a 6'3 shooting guard.
and fwiw gordons ts% is actually pretty good cause of how much he gets to the line
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:31 (twelve years ago) link
coincidentally... kevin martin is also good at drawing fouls...
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:32 (twelve years ago) link
kevin martin is a GREAT scorer, i have conceded this, its just all the other things
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:33 (twelve years ago) link
anyway im going to bed, interesting day in the nba, to be continued
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:35 (twelve years ago) link
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:31 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
Danilo makes more FTs per game than Gordon.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:35 (twelve years ago) link
and has a better TS%...
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:36 (twelve years ago) link
3.6 to 4.1 in favor of gordon, theyve both been in the league 3 years - obvs theres minutes, pace, usage and all that to adjust for, but technically, no
now srsly im going to bed
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:40 (twelve years ago) link
and i never said galinari didnt have a better ts%, just that he was one dimensional, idk maybe hell be good, certainly not a guy who jumped out at you watched him as someone who was a v well rounded or with it player, also always been totally a complimentary player, never had any defense focus on him, cant defend at all etc
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:42 (twelve years ago) link
you said he just shot threes, yet he takes a ton of FTs
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:43 (twelve years ago) link
No Referrer (can't tell)
― Frogerington Bsomas (t. silaviver), Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:44 (twelve years ago) link
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:42 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink
His defense is fine. The Gallinari being a bad defender thing is so 2009.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:44 (twelve years ago) link
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:40 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
Gallo shot more last year. Really unfair to count Gallo's first year when he was struggling with a back injury and coming off the bench.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:45 (twelve years ago) link
a guy who shoots a lot of threes and also draws a lot of fouls has at least 2 dimensions has at least 2 dimensions.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:48 (twelve years ago) link
per 36 Gallo has averaged more FTs for his career.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:50 (twelve years ago) link
matt armstrong has been totally otm itt (except the part when you guys started arguing about the danilo gallinari, which i skipped)
david stern still comes off as a weak, borderline incompetent psycho
i have no idea what argument cad was trying to make upthread
the clippers are still gonna lose in the first round of the playoffs, i think we all know this
― v-shasty, Thursday, 15 December 2011 08:16 (twelve years ago) link
i really do think that stern should step down -- the league has been in complete and utter chaos for the better part of a year now and i think a new commissioner would probably help, as long as the new commissioner isn't adam silver
― v-shasty, Thursday, 15 December 2011 08:19 (twelve years ago) link
and just to reiterate, kevin's argument is entirely retarded -- saying that stern looks pretty good because his completely absurd and irrational veto of the three way deal "on basketball grounds" ended up with the hornets "getting a better deal" is basically like swallowing george bush's line that we went to war in iraq because of WMDs and then saying that it all worked out in the end cuz we paved some roads and built some schools
― v-shasty, Thursday, 15 December 2011 08:21 (twelve years ago) link
which is not even to mention the irony of the fact that stern traded the league into the exact position it's already in, bcuz the hornets will offer eric gordon the max in two years, and he will make it very clear to them that he has no intention of staying with the franchise
― v-shasty, Thursday, 15 December 2011 08:33 (twelve years ago) link
this reminds me of some twitter thing now what was that
― clay, Thursday, 15 December 2011 09:22 (twelve years ago) link