yeah the hornets are legit
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:16 (twelve years ago) link
lol i mean the clippers
the argument was
-this is a good deal for the hornets
-there is no overriding competitive reason for Stern to veto it as commish
The Hornets finding a better deal elsewhere was NOT the argument and you're being really juvenile in trying to turn that into the argument so you can be "right."
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:16 (twelve years ago) link
the clippers u mean
whoops meant to c+p this
http://www.foxsportswest.com/12/14/11/Raw-video-Blake-Griffin-and-DeAndre-Jord/landing_clippers.html?blockID=626930&feedID=3661
― k3vin k., Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:17 (twelve years ago) link
matt chill dawg
don't be this year's deej
matt srsly let go you were wrong
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:18 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― amon, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:18 (twelve years ago) link
no one should ever argue w/me abt basketball because i am always right
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:19 (twelve years ago) link
r.i.p. granny dainger
― amon, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:20 (twelve years ago) link
its sad he didnt understand basketball
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:21 (twelve years ago) link
dawg you totally have a right to gloat
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:22 (twelve years ago) link
the clippers will be v v good this year!
― k3vin k., Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:14 AM
http://southerngaragebands.com/crystal-ball.jpg
― amon, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:22 (twelve years ago) link
thank you i appreciate that xp
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:23 (twelve years ago) link
They got a better deal and you were confident they would.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:24 (twelve years ago) link
but I didn't say they would never get a better deal, just that this was a good deal and vetoing it was ultra fishy.
honestly I think the trade was mediocre for all 3 teams... but that's kinda how trades work.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:27 (twelve years ago) link
imho in a competitive context such as this one, the mere existence of a better deal, and particularly the speed at which is was found, proves that the other deal was not a good one - like you can be all i paid a hundred and fifty dollars for this dvd player that is a good value, but if its selling for a hundred dollars everywhere else then its not a good deal, also just as far as basketball assets exchanged it was not equitable imo
i do think the veto was fishy, but like ive said it all stems from the fact that the nba owns a team which is just completely insane and really twists the whole concept of the league as a disinterested arbiter, im much happier w/the way things turned out, it wouldve been ridiculous for paul to be traded for a bag of donuts, particularly by a team owned by the league, which just obvs shows what a jackpot stern was in once the original trade was announced
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:33 (twelve years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:27 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
naw the rockets made out like bandits, they must be hating life right now
adande said this btw
"Gordon struggled to defend big guards such as Bryant and Joe Johnson, and even Paul, a good defender, wouldn't be much help there. Now the Clippers can utilize the newly acquired Chauncey Billups, who's also 6-3 but much stronger than Gordon."
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:48 (twelve years ago) link
chauncey billups: lockdown 2 guard.
Jordan, Dumars, Bowen, Billups.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:49 (twelve years ago) link
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:33 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
I just don't see going all in on Pau here. I think they would have remained mediocre.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:50 (twelve years ago) link
Pau could rebound I guess but the end of that season was terrifying.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:48 AM (6 minutes ago)
billups is a solid defender against the 2, has lost a step and gets burned by quick points but yeah can guard the 2 ok
― k3vin k., Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:56 (twelve years ago) link
ugh why won't the trade machine upgrade
― k3vin k., Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:57 (twelve years ago) link
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:33 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
I don't see the problem. The majority of the media thought it was an ok to good trade for the Hornets. A significant portion of the media thought it was very bad for LA. What's the problem? The problem was a few owners got super butthurt because they happened to think LA was pulling off another Pau deal. Even if the Hornets got totally fucked on the deal, everyone would just blame Demps. Who cares? Is the franchise sale value of the hornets really going to be affected that much? It would probably be negated in overall revenue from keeping the Lakers in the elite.
Stern showed really weak leadership and got bullied by a bunch of hot headed children.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:57 (twelve years ago) link
Like you may think the trade was "ridiculous," but I don't think that's how it would have played in the short term. The media liked the deal for NOH!
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:00 (twelve years ago) link
its true they did, im sort of baffled as to why, other than like paul has been underrated his whole career, even then tho
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:03 (twelve years ago) link
because you hate Martin more than just about anyone man
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:04 (twelve years ago) link
hes just not notably good at basketball!
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:05 (twelve years ago) link
bee tee dubsif the minnesota pick ended up being 8th or later, I would still prefer the original deal, because I think Gordon is overrated.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:05 (twelve years ago) link
we're talking about a 45-36 shooter with an injury history here
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:06 (twelve years ago) link
I think the writers, like me, are noting that the Hornets would be adding 3 immediate starters at positions of need, all of whom are above average playres.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:07 (twelve years ago) link
well obvs theres a lot of variables, but at least theres a chance of a future instead of some guys who you know exactly what youre getting and its nowhere near as good as chris paul - you cant really say of the pick is 8th or worse then i dont like it, what you traded for was a probability not a certainty, its perfectly common to make the right play and for it to not turn out, the future is not certain
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:09 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but the variability is why I don't think this deal is way better. Just better.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:10 (twelve years ago) link
i mean having three p good starters what does it get you, thats what was killing me abt all the analysis is there was just no strategic thinking going on what so ever, hey you got a few good starters, oh where does that get you in three years *shrugs*
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:11 (twelve years ago) link
tankapaloozas are fine but there's something to be said for winning 50 games and not having the franchise fold.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:17 (twelve years ago) link
It gets you... 3 solid starters to build around. Draft a good pg and you're going somewhere.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:18 (twelve years ago) link
honestly the more I think about it... I like the Melo deal way more.
well melo is a worse player, and the players sent back were younger
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:20 (twelve years ago) link
they got more pieces, this deal is basically just gordon and a pick.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:21 (twelve years ago) link
also trading unprotected firsts far in the future is just total amateur hour
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:23 (twelve years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:18 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
its really hard to build around quality starters in the nba, you can only really build around stars, sometimes you can trade those starters for stars, but due to the particularities of the draft and the salary cap its nearly impossible to add a star to solid starters, which is why teams want young players and draft picks back for stars, theyre trying to get another star
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:24 (twelve years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:21 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
yeah but gordon both gordon and the pick have a higher ceiling than anyone the nuggs got
I don't see it with gordon man...
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:26 (twelve years ago) link
why does he have a higher ceiling than danilo?
gordon just hasn't gotten better.
he's been the same 45% shooting, undersized 2. He's a nice player but Danilo is a nice player too.
danilo has done literally nothing but shoot threes in the nba, gordon is like an actual basketball player, likely neither of them are remembered for long, but such is life in this crazy league we call the nba
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Thursday, 15 December 2011 07:29 (twelve years ago) link