2012 GOP Presidential Campaign -- "This individual's going to accuse me of an affair for an extended period of time."

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"articulation is a key identifier of intelligence (esp to me)."

No it ain't not.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 13 December 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link

very sad to see the gingrich boomlet dying out.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 14 December 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link

RIP Newt, we'll always have the first week of December, 2011

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link

f---g a.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link

so, it's romney?

PROGRESSIVE ROMNEY?

FLIP/FLOP MITT/ROM?

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link

George Will column on Gingrich sure is ... something

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

ron paul picked up a key gay-beardo-limey endorsement today

mookieproof, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

ron paul boomlet next.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link

why did newtmania die? did america remember who he is?

big popppa hoy, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link

If there's any un-Newtening, it's marginal (margarine/shortening, etc.). That poll had fewer than 300 respondents, and is probably worthless.

C.K. Dexter Holland, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link

why did newtmania die? did america remember who he is?

relentless drumbeat of negativity from pundits/press probably didn't help but who knows

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link

seems pretty clear the GOP "establishment" made the call to flex some media muscle against li'l Newtie

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link

From the NY mag article linked above:

Ron Paul has decided, for reasons known only to Ron Paul, to unleash his moneybomb in the form of a brutal advertising assault on Gingrich, also in Iowa.

It's clear to me that Paul expects to become the next anti-Mitt darling and hopes to veer the stampede towards himself at the strategic moment, just before the caucuses and several days before Iowans experience their fifth or sixth case of buyer's remorse.

Aimless, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link

yep yep

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link

kinda doubt that's gonna work tho

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link

I can see why Ron Paul would think that though, because the rise of Cain and Gingrich have been improbable.

Nicole, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link

can't imagine why any evangelical would give Paul the time of day

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link

Because he is not Mitt. Nor is he Santorum, Bachmann, Perry, Cain, or Newt. Oh, and he's not a mormon.

Aimless, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

Paul's chock full of the non-gredients voters are yearning for.

Aimless, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link

evangelicals need more specific commitments tho, like "hates sex/homos"

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link

Ron Paul has decided, for reasons known only to Ron Paul, to unleash his moneybomb in the form of a brutal advertising assault on Gingrich, also in Iowa.

reasons known to a lot of people! ron paul has hated newt gingrich ever since newt campaigned for a democrat-turned-republican against paul in the 90s. newt had these crazy dreams about a permanent GOP majority (led by him) and wanted to signal to democrats that he'd protect them if they switched party-affiliations. this one did, and ran against ron paul, so newt felt compelled to support him. ron paul was not happy. not happy. and now is the moment of revenge that Mister Mxyzptlk was waited for.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 14 December 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link

-Paul is rabidly pro-life, and most likely isn't above signing some kind of fucknut "pledge" proving it

-also thinks there's no basis for a "rigid separation between church and state" in the Constitution or the writings of the founders.

-and at one of the earlier debates he intimated that churches should provide health care (haha what?), like in the good ol days

-he doesn't have mistresses and ex-wives

so really the only mark against him is his ZOMG ANTI-ISRAEL stance and the fact that he sees little benefit in blowing up brown people wearing turbans. which is admittedly a pretty big mark with evangelicals i guess.

(will), Wednesday, 14 December 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link

no, the marks against him are many. see, e.g., what his newsletters from the 90s said about black people. it's outrageous.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 14 December 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

i meant wrt evangelicals. evangelicals (around here anyway) would most likely have very little problem with some of those newsletters.

(will), Wednesday, 14 December 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link

oh, i didn't realize that was the limit of yr comment. still, i doubt evangelicals would approve of those type of comments (at least openly?).

paul gets by because he has a longstanding and committed small base of support, and a variation of his critique of gov't has become fashionable for the modern GOP (in response to obama's approach to the ecnomic crisis). but that would all be obliterated in an instant if his opponents decided to attack him.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 14 December 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think that newsletter stuff has gotten widespread exposure tbh. the first place I saw it was actually here on ILX, where people were berating Morbius for voting for Paul at one point.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link

the story has kicked around some. if paul were a more serious candidate, it would get more attention.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 14 December 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

i think the official Paultard line is that he didn't write the objectionable stuff in those newsletters, that they were put out without his knowledge, etc. not sure how well that would sell if he became the front-runner though.

(will), Wednesday, 14 December 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link

Josh Marshall seems to think that Newt's position is strong, <a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/12/entrails_1.php";>at least half of the way</a>.

Kind of surprised to see no-one working the "Well he says that he's faithful now because he's found proper religion. And if you can't trust a Catholic in power, then where are we?" angle

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

Again, with smarts:

Josh Marshall seems to think that Newt's position is strong, at least half of the way.

Kind of surprised to see no-one working the "Well he says that he's faithful now because he's found proper religion. And if you can't trust a Catholic in power, then where are we?" angle

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

i think the official Paultard line is that he didn't write the objectionable stuff in those newsletters, that they were put out without his knowledge, etc.

yeah, that has -- at one point -- been his position. it is total nonsense. also, eventually, he took responsibility for what's in the newsletters.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 14 December 2011 23:30 (twelve years ago) link

i think the official Paultard line is that he didn't write the objectionable stuff in those newsletters, that they were put out without his knowledge, etc. not sure how well that would sell if he became the front-runner though.

― (will), Wednesday, December 14, 2011 4:49 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

what's so great is that the newsletter was literally called, IIRC, "The Ron Paul Report"

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 23:38 (twelve years ago) link

the level of denial with Paul fanatics is... something

(will), Wednesday, 14 December 2011 23:40 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FTCcCWSxkE

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link

pro-life AND pro-choice!

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 23:51 (twelve years ago) link

How common are targeted non-endorsements?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/285787/winnowing-field-editors

clemenza, Thursday, 15 December 2011 00:50 (twelve years ago) link

Key line:

We will render further judgments in the weeks to come as the candidates continue to make their cases and are, just perhaps, joined by new candidates.

Keep wishing.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 December 2011 00:56 (twelve years ago) link

Jeb Bush

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 15 December 2011 01:02 (twelve years ago) link

There's a new site up, similar to The Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, where you can check your own personal non-Romney number. Being Canadian, mine's high: I'm 251,737,819th in line.

clemenza, Thursday, 15 December 2011 01:03 (twelve years ago) link

Senator Santorum was an effective legislator. He deserves credit for highlighting, more than any other candidate, the need for public policies that topple barriers to middle-class aspirations. Weighing against him is a lack of executive experience.

rip k-lo

mookieproof, Thursday, 15 December 2011 01:14 (twelve years ago) link

Ann Romney, fundraising in Iowa today, talked about how her husband had supported her when she was first diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, including comforting her when she worried about what she would still be able to do. “He said, ‘And I really don’t care that you can’t cook dinner anymore — I really could eat toast and cereal for the rest of my life,’” Romney recounted, reported the Washington Examiner. She also talked about the couple’s early dating years: their first date was watching The Sound of Music.

So I wonder who that's directed at? Also: the Romneys will not be chiming in on the Pauline Kael thread.

clemenza, Thursday, 15 December 2011 01:20 (twelve years ago) link

if she said their first date was watching faster pussycat, kill! kill!, i might have voted for him.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 15 December 2011 01:23 (twelve years ago) link

so valiant! 'i'll bet you 10k i could eat toast and cereal for the rest of my life'

mookieproof, Thursday, 15 December 2011 01:25 (twelve years ago) link

Could anything be more wholeseome?

Aimless, Thursday, 15 December 2011 01:29 (twelve years ago) link

Ann Romney really ought to look more like Sally Field, just to keep up with Mitt.

Aimless, Thursday, 15 December 2011 01:31 (twelve years ago) link

Jeb Bush

Now, funny you should say that...

"So a writer I follow who lives in New Hampshire just tweeted:

@publicroad: I live in NH & just got a robocall polling me about what I think about Romney vs. Gingrich vs. *Jeb Bush*.

Other folks are reporting the same polling is taking place in New Hampshire."

Other folks are indeed reporting that. Erick Erickson’s heard from three sources about it and the mayor of a town in New Hampshire claimed on Facebook that he was “just phone-surveyed about Jeb Bush for President.” Doesn’t mean that Jeb Bush is behind it — it could very well be (and probably is) an outfit like PPP trying to gauge how the frontrunners would fare in a hypothetical match-up — but times are sufficiently desperate right now that any murmur about a deus ex machina is worth blogging.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 December 2011 04:17 (twelve years ago) link

And speaking of Erickson, this is most entertaining.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 December 2011 04:22 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, that has -- at one point -- been his position. it is total nonsense. also, eventually, he took responsibility for what's in the newsletters.

― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:30 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

is it nonsense? not that i don't think he's a senile and doddering troll, but as i've heard it he "took responsibility" in the sense that one takes responsibility for things with ones own name on the masthead, buck stopping there and all that. lew rockwell--an even crazier rightist who paul definitely continues to roll with--has taken credit for the most ~engaging~ bullshit in those newsletters.

just fact checking

HOOS aka driver of steen, Thursday, 15 December 2011 04:23 (twelve years ago) link

gingrich's stock slid pretty hard on intrade today

iatee, Thursday, 15 December 2011 06:43 (twelve years ago) link


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