Girls thread cont.

I was just looking at that collection thinking that I'd buy myself some with expected birthday money but I am worried I'll never wear them if I do. :/ I'll have to think about it.

I want a pair of shiny paratrooper jump boots for hiking to the subway in this winter.

http://www.uscav.com/ZoomImage.aspx?CatID=376&ImageURL=/prodinfo/enlarged/18941L.jpg

i was talking about the heeled ones. the flat ones would go with lots of stuff and aren't as SHAZAM POW.

http://www.gsaboots.com/images/cove/corcoran/1500_15.jpg

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I have a lot of kinda 50's-ish dresses that would look really great with the heeled saddle shoes... that was my intent, anyway.

I am picking out Evan's clothes! THIS IS HARD

I LOVE THE HEELED ONES, TOO! I was going to make a whole post about how if the price of the heeled saddle shoes was my soul, I'd sign on the dotted line. Did you see the cordovan & cognac combo??

i'd wear those black boots, but i am never without a pair of laceup black boots

Those black lace up ones look like the steel toe Docs I wore in HS/College. My shitkickers as my dad would call them.

lol I am lame

HERE ARE SOME OUTFITS FOR YOU EVAN IT IS ALL FROM ASOS.COM, A VERY NICE RETAILER

http://www.polyvore.com/evans_wardrobe/set?id=40733243

Mandee have you ordered from Asos? How does the sizing convert?

I mean - has stuff from there fit true to size?

It runs about half a size big.

I've had magnificent luck, but I have pretty standard measurements for my size... and I am 5'8" so pants are always the perfect length on me.

My sister has quite different proportions than me and things don't fit her as well.

I've only had one thing not fit in the like fifty things I've ordered

I like that they tell you what size the model is wearing - that gives some idea, often.
I've ordered quite a lot from there and the only things that didn't fit were just weird fits anyway (like a really rigid 'shell' top).

i have those frye oxfords and they are great! i got them from urban outfitters when they were having a 50% coupon thing and so they were more reasonable.

I forgot about this, but sometime ilxor Lauren has the high-heeled saddle shoes ("HHSS") and says they're turrible hard to match to wear b/c the high contrast of the white makes them look funny with a lot of pants.

omg ty homo

I probably would mainly wear them with dresses

i just rewatched pulp fiction and i have to say, either uma's black-pants-white-shirt outfit is timeless or i've totally fallen for this '90s resurgence. pos both.

It's totally timeless.

yaay! i am on the lookout for those pants

more for spring/summer tho. for right now i just need another pair of skinny jeans - uniqlo changed something in their design and now they fit oddly on me! all their pants do! even the jeggings! blargh. oh well, it just means i actually have to go shopping properly.

thanks, laurel (many xps)!

i really like the first steve madden ones, but i want a min. 2" heel

i like the second ones ok but i hate the black sole with that color on the leather, plus i prefer a round toe. also might be a bit short in the shaft (lol)

i was trying to post those graanie steve maddens when the sandbox went down - i really like them, think i might get them since they're on zappos and i can try a couple of sizes

don't like the last ones at all - too chunky/butch

but yeah - you totally got what i meant by "oxford style"... i was using that term (pretty inaccurately) as a shortcut for vintagey/toe seam/lace up/detail.

but i really really really can't/shouldn't spend money on new boots right now, bc i have 3 perfectly wearable pairs, and i have an idea that my husband has spent about 3x more than he was supposed to on b'day presents for me.

Feeling really frustrated with what ~feels like~ that whole "Why should we talk about it? Our privilege is that we never *have* to talk about or question this stuff!" wall right now.

Really feel like I'm constantly walking through a minefield of worrying about not ~offending~ dudes and I never know what's on the menu and what's not on the menu, and the rules are so arbitrary, and it's never actually one's "tone" but just the fact that one mentions it, at all. "Now just go off and have your little conversations about sexuality and sexual imagery somewhere they don't interrupt the stream of pictures of girls in their underwear."

I know it's probably not that, but it really *feels* like that, right now.

Anyway, as you were. Back to your dresses and shoes and whatever.

Kate! I specifically just said that it wasn't that and that I do think those conversations are important and should be had somewhere. You haven't posted to WS before, right? This honestly doesn't have anything to do with you or the discussion you tried to initiate - it's a standing thing. I've gotten in trouble for "talking" to much on that thread before as have many others. It's sort of part of the joke. So even though it *feels* like that right now I promise you it's not that and has nothing to do with you personally or your questions (which are really important ones!).

I was trying to be helpful by saying something now before someone said something harsh and easily misinterpreted.

I posted that *before* your clarification, TBH.

"Now just go off and have your little conversations about sexuality and sexual imagery somewhere they don't interrupt the stream of pictures of girls in their underwear."

This is the essence of that thread 24/7/365, Foth. The reason I avoid it pretty strictly.

Also the prevalence of what is essentially the same skinny brunette over and over and over and over.

What thread?

The "would smash" one, not that I recommend looking at it in too much detail.

I was quite enjoying the blithe positivity and pseudo-obliviousness of this new-era Fotherington Thomas, by the way.

never looking at WS is a good strategy for life imo

ws thread, thejenny xp

fwiw I would be very interested to read yr thoughts/opinions on this stuff FT/Pyth! I had a chat with a lady friend the other day wherein I mentioned my then-very-worrisome male anorexic pt, and made some comment about how the mortality rate for men with eating disorders might be higher because a) they don't have a biological imperative to maintain adipose and b) emaciated men are more likely to register as "scrawny" at a stage in the disease where a woman would be more likely to register as "dangerously thin," even accounting for messed up values wrt women's bodies etc

then my friend told me about that andrej dude I'm just now seeing for the first time and was like "they're even using men now as models precisely because ladies' bodies arent designed to get thin enough" *spits on the ground*

I should prob stop butting into the girls thread sorry

Yes, most of the women posted are skinny and conventionally attractive but they're mostly actresses and models who are obviously more likely to fall into those categories. Is that a problem? Of course it is and I'm not for a minute suggesting that it isn't but it isn't a thread about people we see on the street who are normal looking and amazing, you know?

There have been exceptions to that though and generally people are very accepting and welcoming of those exceptions. I have posted plus size women several times who were met with nothing but a lot of enthusiasm and praise. Others have as well. I read and participate in that thread pretty regularly and have never heard anyone say anything on that thread that was truly offensive or out of line that I can remember. Obviously it's your choice to avoid the thread and I understand that inclination but it just seems strange given that it's not really an awful thread to begin with imo.

Also, it's why I've made a concerted effort to participate in it from the beginning to keep it from being a thread of just those images. I tried to get other women to take part and it never really happened which is fine, I'm just saying. Inserting myself into that sphere has made it a less threatening thread that it may have seemed otherwise but I've been fairly pleasantly surprised that it's always been pretty decent.

Evs, start a thread for "Running alongside the girls only thread" or something, maybe? We can have that discush there if you want.

This thread doesn't say only!!

I specifically made it so it didn't.

What I found most depressio was this:

-I posted a picture of Thom Yorke looking really quite, well, average. And the reaction from men was: wow, the fact that ppl lust after TY give hope to average to ugly dudes everywhere that hey, weird looking smart guys can be lusted after. I got the feeling that this felt really quite empowering or ego-boosting to a couple of the guys on the thread, and it was smiles and niceness all round.

-JM posted a picture of an absolutely stunning, physically perfect model, who happened to have a lot of freckles. The reaction was not initially "omg freckles amazing" (though that did happen later) but a kind of "wtf is wrong with that girl's face" type negging.

And, as a woman who is quite seriously *not* perfect (the freckles all over my arms and shoulders are the least of my problem) it's my o_0 that this woman, who is 1000 times more attractive than I will ever be. And even she is somehow not enough for a bunch of dudes on the interwebs who self admittedly look more like Thom Yorke than Ryan Gosling or Mark Ruffalo.

It's that thing I know you've all talked about on this thread before, about how, like, straight women who are average looking expect to date men who are average looking, but men who are average looking expect to date, I dunno, Zooey D. And you can't even *talk* to them about the expectations these images create without them getting all offended about it.

I was quite enjoying the blithe positivity and pseudo-obliviousness of this new-era Fotherington Thomas, by the way.

This is the weird thing, I am often a blithely positive person when I'm allowed to just be myself and go on about Cornish landscapes and Richard D James' freckles or whatever without being worried. It's the constant criticism and negging and clusterfucks that really wear me down and make me paranoid and unhappy. When my natural state, I really would rather be a Fotherington Thomas wandering about going "hullo SEA ARCHES hullo THOM YORKE'S CHEEKBONES!"

a million x-posts now I can't keep up.

The reaction was not initially "omg freckles amazing" (though that did happen later) but a kind of "wtf is wrong with that girl's face" type negging.

One dumb troll did that in an obviously ridiculous an annoying post that was ignored by everyone else.

I saw that post and said "asshole trying to get attention not worth my time" in my head and that was it.

it isn't a thread about people we see on the street who are normal looking and amazing, you know?

First of all, there's no reason for it NOT to be about that except that there are fewer pictures on the internet of "normal" people in their underwear and god forbid we run short of pictures of tits. But there are plenty of female thinkers, writers, musicians, WHATEVER who people could be expressing attraction to and they are practically never posted on the thread (today's topical mention of PJ aside), which is almost 100% beauty policing in favor of primarily young skinny actresses whose sexual attractiveness has been carefully manufactured to appeal to a demographic.

One dumb troll = behaviour a lot more like most of the Beauty Industrial Complex (which I work inside every damn day and it's killing me) and most of mainstream society at the moment. I just find it overwhelming sometimes.

If you don't want this to be a girls' only thread, I would ask if there's any interest in starting another one that is, because I believe it's important to have that space.

I can understand that, especially coming from the industry you work in. I just went back and checked though and it really was that one completely stupid comment and the rest of the ones about her were nothing but praise and compliments specifically about her freckles.

But there are plenty of female thinkers, writers, musicians, WHATEVER who people could be expressing attraction to and they are practically never posted on the thread (today's topical mention of PJ aside), which is almost 100% beauty policing in favor of primarily young skinny actresses whose sexual attractiveness has been carefully manufactured to appeal to a demographic.

Yes! This! And I got into a really interesting discussion with a couple of ILX0rs on twitter a few months back about this. About the kind of pressure, that even women who are thinkers, writers, musicians, whatever, they have to appear in these "girl just sprawled all over this here sofa with her skirt all hiked up" photos which you would never see their male equivalents posed in? In order to be written about in very mainstream magazines, like, The Guardian Weekend?

Oh, I don't mind if it is and if other people want it to be that's fine with me. I just didn't want people to feel the need to apologize for posting in here since it really didn't state anywhere (until now) that they couldn't.