Attacking the prevalence of film franchises - movies based on toys, or video games, that are intended to sell a product as much as they are to entertain - Spielberg said: “I think producers are more interested in backing concepts than directors and writers.
Kinda disingenuous of him not to note his own role in this process, witting or unwitting.
― Angles that bitch (Julie Lagger), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:58 (seven years ago) link
btw I would never disagree that major-studio US films are worse than ever, and will be worse 5 years from now.
yeah this seems kind of indisputable.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:58 (seven years ago) link
slightly off-topic, another weird thing about TV is that it requires this bigger emotional/time-commitment to pay off, imho. For example, I've watched episodes of Community and Parks & Rec and Arrested Development, not laughed once, and happily ignored them ever since. But you get this phenomenon of people telling you you have to watch several episodes before you will enjoy it - it's like you have to perform this mental trick to get anything out of it, you have to first invest time and energy into it and then the cognitive dissonance kicks in and you figure you better watch it/enjoy it now cuz you've already watched 1 1/2 hours of it etc. Like you have to develop this familiarity/immersion in the show before you get anything out of it. I find something about this phenomenon off-putting.
And I don't get this from movies.
so you don't have to invest 1.5 hours in a movie to get something out of it?
― n/a, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:59 (seven years ago) link
Really. I waited for almost a year to rewatch Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy and then got kicked off the list b/c I didn't pick it up w/in 4 days of it arriving at my branch.
This is kind of your fault, though. If libraries didn't do this sort of thing, it would take even longer for you to get your stuff.
― flexidisc, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:59 (seven years ago) link
i'm really not trying to be a dick there, i honestly don't understand the difference you're trying to point out
ILL would be a great setting for a hilarious TV comedy (not really)
ps i am a librarian
― n/a, Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:53 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
showing you're a pretty terrible one itt
― nuhnuhnuh, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:00 (seven years ago) link
good thing i have ilx posting to fall back on
― n/a, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:05 (seven years ago) link
the specific amount of time is not the issue. It's more the phenomenon of say, having to watch several episodes of something before it becomes funny. Which has always struck me as odd. Good comedy should be funny right off the bat. Movies work in a different way.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:06 (seven years ago) link
Good comedy should be funny right off the bat.
yeah all comedy shd be relentless pies in the face
― Angles that bitch (Julie Lagger), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:09 (seven years ago) link
and usually it's not a question of continuity - ie, a joke being set up early on that pays off four episodes later (altho this does happen with the better serialized shows like Sopranos, Mad Men, the Wire, etc.). It's more a question of developing a familiarity with a show's rhythms and tropes and then once you've internalized those you come to see the comedy in them... A lot of times I don't want to go through that process. Like with Parks and Rec I just didn't think the jokes were funny, I didn't want to have to sit through 4 episodes of bad jokes before I laughed at one, that seems like a waste of time.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:09 (seven years ago) link
not saying that people don't sometimes excuse weak material with "you just have to get into it" but it's crazy to exclude all comedy that involves meticulous build-up of observation or establishment of expectations
― Angles that bitch (Julie Lagger), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:10 (seven years ago) link
yeah all comedy shd be relentless pies in the facefootball in the groin
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:10 (seven years ago) link
tbf football in the groin works on so many levels
― Angles that bitch (Julie Lagger), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:11 (seven years ago) link
Ha, the other night at drinks, a few of us were actually discussing the idea of a library as a setting for a workplace sitcom.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:11 (seven years ago) link
― son, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:12 (seven years ago) link
obviously I'm referring primarily to the former scenario.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:12 (seven years ago) link
didn't they try a "party girl" sitcom?
― n/a, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:12 (seven years ago) link
I don't think the first few episodes of Parks and Rec were particularly funny. If I were recommending the show to someone I knew would be impatient, I would tell them to start with Season 2, and I don't think they would miss out on much. But ultimately I didn't mind watching them because they created context and familiarity. And one of the things that TV has on movies is that allows you to develop relationships with characters over time. I watch P&R not just for the laffs but also b/c I care about those people.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:17 (seven years ago) link
it's not just lesser shows people are pretending to like that take some time to really get invested in, it's pretty much EVERY SHOW, especially if you're watching it from the beginning and it's one of the 99% of good shows that had a shaky start
― Mr. Stevenson #2, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:17 (seven years ago) link
and then sometimes you invest yrself in a show that turns to shit... like, say BSG or (I have been led to understand) Lost.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:22 (seven years ago) link
xp That's true: most shows take at least a few episodes to find their rhythm, figure out what they do best.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:23 (seven years ago) link
my choice of films over tv wasn't a judgment of quality, it was more about which one fits my lifestyle better - actually i agree that the best tv is great because it allows you into this self-contained and detailed world that references back to itself, past events, different characters etc all the time. i just don't have the time for that sort of entertainment! and following tv in a more dilettantish kind of way feels way less satisfying.
films are both more disposable, weirdly (in that all you have to commit is a couple of hours then it's over) but also more intense an experience.
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:24 (seven years ago) link
(I have been led to understand) Lost.
yeah, I wouldn't mind having those 130-something hours of my life back, tbh
― William (C), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:25 (seven years ago) link
something else i like about tv is that it doesn't have to tell you the whole story in two hours, so it's just more relaxed about everything.
in screenwriting there's this golden rule that every line of dialogue has to say something about both the plot and the character saying it, which is like seriously rigorous, and i feel like usually this mentality stretches out to every other aspect of the movie as well: you've got like an hour 45 and that's IT so every microparticle of the soundtrack and set and everything has to be honed to extract the maximum impact of whatever it is the director's trying to do. (this is one reason i think there are so many heist movies and thrillers, which you don't get so much of on tv - the characters' lives turn on the same kind of nanosecond mechanics that directors have trained themselves to excel at in the crafting of their movies). not all movies have this kind of saturation of meaning but most seem to. and sometimes it's great when the whole thing really clicks like a well-oiled machine. but i like to watch things unfold languidly too, or seemingly at random, or with small stakes - no big weddings or nuclear bombs - and tv seems suited to that because of its serial nature and its length.
― his venerable escutcheon, Thursday, 15 December 2011 01:38 (seven years ago) link
i mean even in something as slow and natural as "i've loved you so long", there's really not a single wasted shot.
i guess another contributing factor here is what morbs hates - tv has to share space with the rest of your house, and it doesn't envelop your senses the same way, so it doesn't make as much sense to invest every frame with freighted meaning cause half the audience just put a forkful of ramen in their mouths
― his venerable escutcheon, Thursday, 15 December 2011 01:41 (seven years ago) link
Lost was like a really fun and engaging videogame that ends not with some awesome boss but rather with a screenshot of the designers thanking you for playing. And also they're flipping you off and one of them has your toothbrush up his ass.
― In Your Velour Slacks (Hairplug Receipts), Thursday, 15 December 2011 02:32 (seven years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Saturday, 29 December 2012 00:01 (six years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
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