Blah blah blah SB is an infringement of my human rights blah blah

Anybody I've directed to the board who doesn't post cites the ridiculous number of in-jokes and pervasive meta-metaness and cliqueyness. I've never had anybody say anything about the HARD MAN CULTURE because for fuckssakes, I post on here and I am giant wuss.

I'd still like to know where they're getting their info from.

from reading the boards?

SB has no impact on people being internet dicks! it clamps down on the LOUDEST posters, not the meanest ones

yeah the cliqueyness seems like more of a barrier, you sorta have to have a loud personality to be noticed xp

very in favor of 'FLING POOP'

yeah but lex thats an important distinction from what stet was arguing against, which was the idea that SB was preemptively thwarting people from coming here to post.

Idk what to do about the meanness in this world

xxp

when did this turn into an encounter group

What FT seems to be saying, though, that it's not the need to be an internet hardman that her potential posters are scared of, but SB itself.

Yes, can't agree with this. SB had been up and running for like a month before i even knew what it was.

more than that I think ILX's culture of piling on the "undesirables" and the really nasty/personal attacks are what makes the message board suck.

where are the threads where we do this, i want in

Remy otm. Rolo - obv there's no model poster but if 51 ppl think you're doing something wrong and/or offensive then there's probably something up that you should take a look at.

I really don't agree with that since there's a real junior high mentality around here and you see posters just openly saying "everybody, you need to sb this guy"

I don't think these challops that get people banned are that indefensible, just that most posters who agree are probably afraid to say so

srsly

The SB functionality isn't so much the problem as the culture around it, obviously, or there'd be no thread.

I seriously have a hard time believing that people would be afraid to post to ILX for fear of being SB'd when only a handful of people (all of whom deserved it in one way or another) have ever acutally been SBd. That is just ridiculous and makes me think people are exaggerating the SB system and what it entails/results in.

― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:14 (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

Flagged post for excellence and otm'ness

you see posters just openly saying "everybody, you need to sb this guy"

As a joke surely

there are some 'challenging opinions' itt that make me miss sb thats for sure

What FT seems to be saying, though, that it's not the need to be an internet hardman that her potential posters are scared of, but SB itself. Which I don't fully understand. It might be happening, but I don't think it's half as common as people getting put off by the rambunctiousness.

there are like a zillion factors that make ilx what it is & the delicate engineering & interlacing of each is part of what makes ilx - i am sure there is some sort of balanced interplay even between ilx as hardman central & ilx as sb-haven that give it some kind of character or suggest an appropriate degree of leeway. there are a million things that would or wouldn't make ilx a desirable place to post to - privacy, aesthetics of taste, aesthetics of message boards, dominant posting style, &c&c&c - & so speculating on those that are lost or deterred by the occurrence of some of these traits feel weird - i'm sure others would be deterred or attracted by some other alternate-universe slight-variation on ilx. ilx is real good to read, a lot of good discussion happens on it, i'm sure some of that is down to what it's like.

you see posters just openly saying "everybody, you need to sb this guy"

As a joke surely

yeah seriously this is like almost exclusively aerosmith when someone talks shit about rice or something, i can't really remember a lot of sincere, indignant "please suggest ban this awful man" going on

he really does like rice

suggest basmati

Flag pasta

I really don't agree with that since there's a real junior high mentality around here and you see posters just openly saying "everybody, you need to sb this guy"

Yes. And it never happens that people actually all freak out and run to the SB. I'm sure other mods will back me up on this, but I've never ever seen this happen, except in the unfortunate (?) instance of Whiney and the Big Bottom Birds. The most flags I've ever seen for a single post are, like 4 or 5, and that has happened v, v, v, rarely.

Nearly every single instance of awful piling on that I can recall occurs b/w board regulars, and escalates slowly over time; not as the result of a single trigger-happy SB culture.

i like rice

and pasta

also if anybody wants to come see my one new band, Whiney and the Big Bottom Birds, we'll be playing a benefit gig next week for victims of unnecessary SBing

haha I was gonna say, at least this thread created a great bandname

the unfortunate (?) instance of Whiney and the Big Bottom Birds

how is this not a childrens book
xp lol

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yZa751uqL.jpg

you see posters just openly saying "everybody, you need to sb this guy"

As a joke surely

Yeah I have never, ever seen this happen seriously.

Unless I've got it all wrong and everytime someone posts "SB'd you for that" they are actually SB'ing people.

Blah blah blah SB is an infringement of my human rights blah blah

i am not really gonna retroactively sb carnitas just for the record

there are like a zillion factors that make ilx what it is & the delicate engineering & interlacing of each is part of what makes ilx

otm. I think some of the things that prevent people posting are desirable, in that they keep out the type of posts that make other forums so insufferable, while otoh some of them keep out the type of posts ILX wants.

The real challenge is finding the balance. I've said before that ILX shouldn't be 4chan, but nor should it be Metafilter.

ilx: the best parts of 4chan and metafilter

they keep out the type of posts that make other forums so insufferable,

I've never been on another forum!

metafilter: the garrison keillor of the internet

http://assets.flavorwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/garrison-keillor.jpg

Why do you think ILX has such a large lurking contingent, while there only seem to be a couple of dozen regular posters? Hint: it's not the lolcat threads. ILX is great for intellectual tussling, but you guys hit hard, and unless you're v.good at standing on your own two feet right off the bat, it's intimidating, scary and nasty.

this is so sad!

just came to 77 and hang ten if someone doesn't like your opinion on the weeknd or whatever, it's such a bummer that people are afraid to contribute!

i think the internet has created this tendency for people to always have to feel "right" or that they are offering an opinion that seems correct or whatever. people worry too much about looking like they are "wrong," they also worry too much about what other people think.

lurkers worry about sb, apparently

Lurkers come forth, y'all can't be as bad as whiney and he survived four sbullets

yeah the average posters will never get more than 10 sbs during his/her duration as a poster

seriously, if you're a lurker and then you bravely come forth and offer your opinions, and they are so bad and hated that you get SB'd purely because you're so wrong all the time (and not because of a combative posting style or because you're actually insane), then i salute you. that would be amazing.

fu i'm permanently on 12

yeah I think the #1 stumbling block over getting new people to post is not fear of SB but fear of standing out among noted internet personalities!

I mean I think even lurkers understand why somebody like frogsbs gets SB'd, repeatedly, just mashed into the ground, over and over

I am unexpectedly missing the ilx thread where we ask a mod how many suggest bans we have. I don't feel right that we currently inhabit a world where that's an impossibility.

there was a time when I was at 11, but last I checked I was @ 9

I don't know much about frogsbs or most of the other 'victims' of the SB tbh, apart from Dom and Geir, they haven't really made much impression on me either way

But I suppose that's down to the threads you chose to post in

Why do you think ILX has such a large lurking contingent, while there only seem to be a couple of dozen regular posters? Hint: it's not the lolcat threads. ILX is great for intellectual tussling, but you guys hit hard, and unless you're v.good at standing on your own two feet right off the bat, it's intimidating, scary and nasty. Fold that into the fact that not everyone has skin made of iron and can shrug off mean, nasty, ad hominem attacks, and I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that ILX's success is despite of SB, not because of it.

― You failed, you didn’t eat the whole pizza (NotEnough), Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:21 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

ilx quality control, the secret ingredient that makes everything work!

seriously, if you're a lurker and then you bravely come forth and offer your opinions, and they are so bad and hated that you get SB'd purely because you're so wrong all the time (and not because of a combative posting style or because you're actually insane), then i salute you. that would be amazing.

― Z S, Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:46 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

and his name was gabneb

haha otm

hahaha, ok but that was a rare exception, no regrets

yup

He's back though.