Blah blah blah SB is an infringement of my human rights blah blah

I'm not opposed to taking away SBs, if that's what the consensus opinion is, but I'm pretty sure they're hear to stay. Frankly, I'd be more comfortable having *some* ammo (i.e. at least 51 posts indicating other people are sick of someone's dickery) before temp banning them from the board, and eating all sorts of kneejerky flak about how the mods are targeting/picking on/ethnic cleansing the board to suit their own purposes.

Rather than just poke holes at the admittedly imperfect SB system, maybe some of the strong opponents could suggest how and when posters who would be SBed would be fairly alerted to the fact they were about to be censured somehow.

Can someone SB me from this thread? I don't even know why I'm reading it or why we're having this conversation YET AGAIN but I can't stop. We're talking about something that has had an impact on a v small number of people who needed to change their behavior. I honestly don't understand people getting all up in arms about this AGAIN. Gah.

'Flag post' is a much better idea than SB; when it reaches 50 banning shouldn't be automatic, but rather there should be a discussion or a panel or something to resolve the issue.

(fps everybody)

i think the last thing ilx needs is more discussion related to SB/Flag Post

'flag poster' makes more sense to me than 'flag post'

suggest death panel
xxp

'flog poster' even better

I seriously have a hard time believing that people would be afraid to post to ILX for fear of being SB'd when only a handful of people (all of whom deserved it in one way or another) have ever acutally been SBd. That is just ridiculous and makes me think people are exaggerating the SB system and what it entails/results in.

I agree with that, I think SB is a really stupid feature but it's not really a big deal

more than that I think ILX's culture of piling on the "undesirables" and the really nasty/personal attacks are what makes the message board suck. because in general I do feel that ILX is a "nicer" and maybe "more intelligent" board than many (as in discussion is like at a 9th grade level, at least), so to see the place suddenly devolve into SomethingAwful when a few people disagree with someone is kinda out of place

It's friends who say to me "jesus, you have an elephant's hide when it comes to dealing with internet crap, and *you* have trouble there? What is gonna happen to someone like me, who is actually sensitive and quite self conscious about getting blasted for saying the wrong thing?"

This almost exactly mimics my experience with trying to get smart people with interesting opinions to post to ILX. They may well be all wrong, but it's certainly what they experience. It could be that ILX only wants internet hardmen on the board in which case it's not an issue, but assuming that we actually want a more diverse spread of views on here, then we're gonna have to take another look.

+1 for name change to "Flag Post" or similar, that would be a good start, it makes it sound significantly less aggressive. SM OTM.

xxxxps

We're talking about something that has had an impact on a v small number of people who needed to change their behavior.

tell us more about the "model poster" we should all aspire to

'flog poster' even better

― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:29 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

flag sitta post

Flag obv. short for flagellate

You mean this was a semantic argument all along? Good lord. (agreed that FP sounds better tho, and knowing there is no magic 51=autoban lessens my ire considerably)

The fact is that some (very very few) comedy bans are unearned, and a few posters in the past probabably shouldn't've been hounded off the board. But if you go into a community (message board) and manage to piss off 51 people, you're probably not in the right place and should leave, and if you need the incentive of 51 irriated posters clicking GET YE GONE to push you over an edge, you likely lack the social graces to respond to a gentler push.

Call it "FLAG POST" or "WHIP" or "FLING POOP" or "SUGGEST BAN" and it's all the same thing, although it might seem a little more pleasant.

the thing i don't get about SBs is why the mods etc seem so determined to defend and maintain a system

tbf I don't think they are. Some are, but some also dislike it just as much. I personally am for it on balance (obv) but don't pretend it's anything like perfect or doesn't have problems.

(one thing I think could maybe appeal specifically to a mod about it is that's it's at least more democratic than just banning on a single mod's opinion, which means the common and easy "x was just banned because a mod hates them personally, the board adores their roguish ways and telling of truth to fools" mod attack is harder to sustain.) xp

Remy otm. Rolo - obv there's no model poster but if 51 ppl think you're doing something wrong and/or offensive then there's probably something up that you should take a look at.

Who are these scared people getting their info about ILX or the SB from? I've certainly shared some unpopular opinions over the years and have never had more than 10 SBs at any one time as far as I know. Could it be that they're not getting a very balanced view of how the whole thing works?

If this is about semantics I'll rep for a button that says SHAME, SHAME and displays to the idiot a cartoon .gif of Newman in Jurassic Park locking out the computer system.

where are all these vicious attacks on the lone & reasonable dissenters taking place? Should i be even more glad than i am that i don't post to ilm?

fwiw i have also had the exact same response many many times re: getting people to post here

That is so very strange. I'd still like to know where they're getting their info from.

This almost exactly mimics my experience with trying to get smart people with interesting opinions to post to ILX. They may well be all wrong, but it's certainly what they experience.

Yes, mine too, and I get mail to this end, and this problem is part of the thinking behind SB -- posters shouldn't have to be internet hardmen to post on ILX. But I don't think many people would argue that ILX is actually cuddlestein, and these posters are somehow confused.

What FT seems to be saying, though, that it's not the need to be an internet hardman that her potential posters are scared of, but SB itself. Which I don't fully understand. It might be happening, but I don't think it's half as common as people getting put off by the rambunctiousness.

Anybody I've directed to the board who doesn't post cites the ridiculous number of in-jokes and pervasive meta-metaness and cliqueyness. I've never had anybody say anything about the HARD MAN CULTURE because for fuckssakes, I post on here and I am giant wuss.

I'd still like to know where they're getting their info from.

from reading the boards?

SB has no impact on people being internet dicks! it clamps down on the LOUDEST posters, not the meanest ones

yeah the cliqueyness seems like more of a barrier, you sorta have to have a loud personality to be noticed xp

very in favor of 'FLING POOP'

yeah but lex thats an important distinction from what stet was arguing against, which was the idea that SB was preemptively thwarting people from coming here to post.

Idk what to do about the meanness in this world

xxp

when did this turn into an encounter group

What FT seems to be saying, though, that it's not the need to be an internet hardman that her potential posters are scared of, but SB itself.

Yes, can't agree with this. SB had been up and running for like a month before i even knew what it was.

more than that I think ILX's culture of piling on the "undesirables" and the really nasty/personal attacks are what makes the message board suck.

where are the threads where we do this, i want in

Remy otm. Rolo - obv there's no model poster but if 51 ppl think you're doing something wrong and/or offensive then there's probably something up that you should take a look at.

I really don't agree with that since there's a real junior high mentality around here and you see posters just openly saying "everybody, you need to sb this guy"

I don't think these challops that get people banned are that indefensible, just that most posters who agree are probably afraid to say so

srsly

The SB functionality isn't so much the problem as the culture around it, obviously, or there'd be no thread.

I seriously have a hard time believing that people would be afraid to post to ILX for fear of being SB'd when only a handful of people (all of whom deserved it in one way or another) have ever acutally been SBd. That is just ridiculous and makes me think people are exaggerating the SB system and what it entails/results in.

― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:14 (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

Flagged post for excellence and otm'ness

you see posters just openly saying "everybody, you need to sb this guy"

As a joke surely

there are some 'challenging opinions' itt that make me miss sb thats for sure

What FT seems to be saying, though, that it's not the need to be an internet hardman that her potential posters are scared of, but SB itself. Which I don't fully understand. It might be happening, but I don't think it's half as common as people getting put off by the rambunctiousness.

there are like a zillion factors that make ilx what it is & the delicate engineering & interlacing of each is part of what makes ilx - i am sure there is some sort of balanced interplay even between ilx as hardman central & ilx as sb-haven that give it some kind of character or suggest an appropriate degree of leeway. there are a million things that would or wouldn't make ilx a desirable place to post to - privacy, aesthetics of taste, aesthetics of message boards, dominant posting style, &c&c&c - & so speculating on those that are lost or deterred by the occurrence of some of these traits feel weird - i'm sure others would be deterred or attracted by some other alternate-universe slight-variation on ilx. ilx is real good to read, a lot of good discussion happens on it, i'm sure some of that is down to what it's like.

you see posters just openly saying "everybody, you need to sb this guy"

As a joke surely

yeah seriously this is like almost exclusively aerosmith when someone talks shit about rice or something, i can't really remember a lot of sincere, indignant "please suggest ban this awful man" going on

he really does like rice

suggest basmati

Flag pasta

I really don't agree with that since there's a real junior high mentality around here and you see posters just openly saying "everybody, you need to sb this guy"

Yes. And it never happens that people actually all freak out and run to the SB. I'm sure other mods will back me up on this, but I've never ever seen this happen, except in the unfortunate (?) instance of Whiney and the Big Bottom Birds. The most flags I've ever seen for a single post are, like 4 or 5, and that has happened v, v, v, rarely.

Nearly every single instance of awful piling on that I can recall occurs b/w board regulars, and escalates slowly over time; not as the result of a single trigger-happy SB culture.

i like rice

and pasta

also if anybody wants to come see my one new band, Whiney and the Big Bottom Birds, we'll be playing a benefit gig next week for victims of unnecessary SBing

haha I was gonna say, at least this thread created a great bandname

the unfortunate (?) instance of Whiney and the Big Bottom Birds

how is this not a childrens book
xp lol

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yZa751uqL.jpg

you see posters just openly saying "everybody, you need to sb this guy"

As a joke surely

Yeah I have never, ever seen this happen seriously.

Unless I've got it all wrong and everytime someone posts "SB'd you for that" they are actually SB'ing people.

Blah blah blah SB is an infringement of my human rights blah blah