tv or movies

why are you only comparing contemporaneous ones

well - we're talking specifically about comedies right? i think you could make a pretty compelling argument that there has been a cultural shift re comedy from cinema to tv that has been going on for a long time + is particularly obvious right now in history

+ spitballing probably has something to do with where vaudeville traditions + performers + institutions gravitated to at different times of history. like marx bros are hilarious but they're not making any marx bros movies (or anything as funny) in 2011

I don't think that's necessarily true? if anything 'comedies' probably have a lower % of tv viewership than they did in the 90s

why are you talking about what they're making in 2011. xp

idk, bc that's how i interpreted the poll question obv?

but if you think the question is as stupid as asking 'snacks or meals?' why even engage w/ my opinion on any level?

also iirc during this golden age for tv comedy two and a half men was the most popular show in the country

+ the most popular movie is the country was Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2?

The Hangover Part II was the most popular film comedy

i never asked to engage with your opinion on any level. xp

I don't watch a lot of new movies but I think the 'tv renaissance' is totally overblown. there are a handful of shows w/ movie-esque budgets. almost all tv is bad. really bad. worse than watching a bad movie.

the fact that you're talking about "budgets" as if that has a direct relationship to quality says it all imo

still all this tv renaissance stuff is like, people naming a dozen shows. I am sure there were at least 20 movies I didn't see this year that I would have enjoyed very much, it's hard to figure out which 20 those would be, but still. whereas the tv renaissance is like, people talking about *the same shows* cause really outside of those shows tv is horrible, the worst it has ever been.

i did a list of my top 50 favorite tv shows this year. not that most of the choices on it wouldn't get plenty of snorts of derision, and i wouldn't even argue that many of them are anything other than effective light entertainment. but just because most people talking about the 'rv renaissance' are still afraid of most things outside HBO and AMC doesn't mean there aren't pockets of good stuff all over the dial.

really tho, people don't watch that much comedy compared to the seinfeld/friends era

nobody actually watches community except 20 people whiney follows on twitter

xp tbh all I remember about you is that you like two and a half men

still all this tv renaissance stuff is like, people naming a dozen shows. I am sure there were at least 20 movies I didn't see this year that I would have enjoyed very much, it's hard to figure out which 20 those would be, but still. whereas the tv renaissance is like, people talking about *the same shows* cause really outside of those shows tv is horrible, the worst it has ever been.

― iatee, Tuesday, December 13, 2011 1:02 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

maybe you don't realize this because you don't watch tv but tv shows come in "seasons" where they come back year after year, so the reason people talk about the same shows is because the same shows stay on tv for multiple years

oh shit I was zinged bad

seasons, gotta write that one down

y'all

2 1/2 men was not in my top 50 shows fwiw

sorry for being unnecessarily sarcastic but that was a pretty silly point. people keep talking about the same tv shows because new episodes come out with new things happening so there's new stuff to talk about.

"new" things "new" stuff

tv turned into sweary soap opera so slowly i never even noticed

i always forget about tv show, that i watch them, i usually enjoy one episode and forget to ever watch it again. i mean there are exceptions but

movies are art but tv is more fun to argue abt on the internet

well most movies arent art really but at least a couple a year seem to manage it

movies usually only waste 2 hours of yr time

tv is incapable of beauty is really the problem, some shows tell interesting stories tho like

i like long movies i do get the appeal of #sustainednarrative, also the way that you can argue w/ppl abt w/e this weeks spinning top is, did it fall or not blah blah blah

i think movies are better at showing you worlds, like 'margin call', despite the reduced time is probably more 'informative' but tv can be better at 'telling', letting oyu live inside the world it creates

i liked buffy

i voted tv but i am blind to/suspicious of cinematic beauty tbh so i think i'm just missing the thing Lamp's talking about

I think the problem w/ sustainednarrative tv is that there are usually so many writers involved that someone ends up fucking it up along the way, it's a lot easier for a movie to be perfect than a tv series

this is like the novels v poetry debate that kept rearing its head when i was in grad school, except novels and poetry are better than tv and movies.

nah modern novels are about as bad as modern movies

or about as good

haha now i get why the movie partisans are all mad at you

i actually kind of agree that movies are theoretically better at being beautiful and perfect than tv shows but i honestly can't remember the last time i saw a movie that was actually beautiful or perfect

xpost lol

novels are tv in this analogy anyway. movies are poetry.

what does 'modern novels are abt as bad as modern movies' mean

proportionally about as likely to make you feel/think something amazing

which isn't really true, novels are better than movies in that sense. i don't really want to drag novels/poetry into this tbh

i liked middlemarch

sorry it just seemed similar to me. the thing people say about novels is that they're character driven but baggy and imperfect and poetry is about the pure beauty of language or whatever. that argument is annoying.

xp <3

by "people" i basically mean "this one professor"

novels are also stuff girls like/write, whereas poetry is the important stuff dudes like/write

obviously that's not actually true it's just the stuff that creeps into the argument

stuff

i actually kind of agree that movies are theoretically better at being beautiful and perfect than tv shows but i honestly can't remember the last time i saw a movie that was actually beautiful or perfect

― n/a, Monday, December 12, 2011 9:49 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

yeah this is how i feel.

i also think its interesting the way both are/were (pre internet/vhs/whatever) communal experiences, but in different ways. tv shows and the water cooler and movies and everybody alone together in the dark. i mean i'm drawn more to that, the dark room, the whirring projector, the laughter or sobbing or gasps of the rest of the audience kindof piercing into the isolation of the cinemagoer. the way tv shows force you to stay with them to keep coming back, they pull on your time, whereas a movie burrows into your brain in a different way. its singular maybe because its a single thing. i think of that shot in texas chainsaw massacre where hes spinning around with his chainsaw or the red coat in don't look now or i'm not sure, but just the way the images burn without needing to increasingly reveal themselves.

man we need to get some mcluhan in here

voted movies, if you want a long and engaging story w/ a complex plot and multidimensional characters go read a book

peace

TV would be my answer for most of the reasons already mentioned and also because I really love good comedy - most of the good stuff is on TV; there is very rarely a truly funny movie out, for whatever reason. I find a lot of incidental everyday stuff funny (Peep Show, etc) which would not suit the movie format.