tv or movies

still all this tv renaissance stuff is like, people naming a dozen shows. I am sure there were at least 20 movies I didn't see this year that I would have enjoyed very much, it's hard to figure out which 20 those would be, but still. whereas the tv renaissance is like, people talking about *the same shows* cause really outside of those shows tv is horrible, the worst it has ever been.

your argument is basically that bc you're sure movies also have 20 things you'd enjoy very much, that means tvs 20 great things doesn't excuse tv for being terrible? like, there are still shitty movies all over the place and it's the worst it has ever been so what's your point?

i want to insert something molly lambert said in a rambling blog entry about how tv is for women and movies are for men, but that sounds impossibly glib because i don't remember exactly how she said it. the context was that she thought tv had given women more opportunities to create/direct/write than the movie industry has. if that sounds dumb it is my fault, not molly lambert's.

in the longer term tv is gonna get more internety and the cable networks are screwed and it's prob gonna be good for short comedies that can be made cheaply and not great for $2m an episode dramas.

i am basically morbs here but for me this is like a poll of snacks vs. meals.

i eat snacks way more these days!
eating snacks is so much more comfortable!
i can do it on my couch!
lots of REALLY GOOD snacks out there today!

what a weird comparison between something you need to live situated in various models of ritual eating that span human existence and entertainment made by ppl in relatively novel human industries

There are definitely a lot more prominent female tv writers than movie writers

your argument is basically that bc you're sure movies also have 20 things you'd enjoy very much, that means tvs 20 great things doesn't excuse tv for being terrible?

my argument is I have seen like 10 of those '20 great things' and I liked 4 of them, and there aren't any more hiding on some obscure cable channel, whereas there are always dozens of good movies being made across the world

12 tv shows * 15 hours of viewing apiece = 174 hours of quality viewing = 87 movies

+ 40 movies worth of commercials

only film has sent me into hypnagogic states of mind where i commune with being blah blah, no amount of awesome plot from a tv show can compete with that.

xp to mordy you're kind of proving my suspicion that people who think tv is superior or whatever have no imagination

there are no commercials when you download everything from the internet

ya which is why tv is doomed

because even people who like it hate it

only film has sent me into hypnagogic states of mind where i commune with being blah blah, no amount of awesome plot from a tv show can compete with that.

xp to mordy you're kind of proving my suspicion that people who think tv is superior or whatever have no imagination

i can imagine you communing with being blah blah

http://www.comicbookbrain.com/_imagery/_2008_03_21/kinetic_man_buster_keaton_440.jpg

i'm not comparing older cinema comedies with older tv comedies. i'm only comparing contemporaneous ones.

it also helps that nothing on tv has ever come close to what movie art has pretty consistently achieved for what, 6-7 decades more or less?

why are you only comparing contemporaneous ones

well - we're talking specifically about comedies right? i think you could make a pretty compelling argument that there has been a cultural shift re comedy from cinema to tv that has been going on for a long time + is particularly obvious right now in history

+ spitballing probably has something to do with where vaudeville traditions + performers + institutions gravitated to at different times of history. like marx bros are hilarious but they're not making any marx bros movies (or anything as funny) in 2011

I don't think that's necessarily true? if anything 'comedies' probably have a lower % of tv viewership than they did in the 90s

why are you talking about what they're making in 2011. xp

idk, bc that's how i interpreted the poll question obv?

but if you think the question is as stupid as asking 'snacks or meals?' why even engage w/ my opinion on any level?

also iirc during this golden age for tv comedy two and a half men was the most popular show in the country

+ the most popular movie is the country was Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2?

The Hangover Part II was the most popular film comedy

i never asked to engage with your opinion on any level. xp

I don't watch a lot of new movies but I think the 'tv renaissance' is totally overblown. there are a handful of shows w/ movie-esque budgets. almost all tv is bad. really bad. worse than watching a bad movie.

the fact that you're talking about "budgets" as if that has a direct relationship to quality says it all imo

still all this tv renaissance stuff is like, people naming a dozen shows. I am sure there were at least 20 movies I didn't see this year that I would have enjoyed very much, it's hard to figure out which 20 those would be, but still. whereas the tv renaissance is like, people talking about *the same shows* cause really outside of those shows tv is horrible, the worst it has ever been.

i did a list of my top 50 favorite tv shows this year. not that most of the choices on it wouldn't get plenty of snorts of derision, and i wouldn't even argue that many of them are anything other than effective light entertainment. but just because most people talking about the 'rv renaissance' are still afraid of most things outside HBO and AMC doesn't mean there aren't pockets of good stuff all over the dial.

really tho, people don't watch that much comedy compared to the seinfeld/friends era

nobody actually watches community except 20 people whiney follows on twitter

xp tbh all I remember about you is that you like two and a half men

still all this tv renaissance stuff is like, people naming a dozen shows. I am sure there were at least 20 movies I didn't see this year that I would have enjoyed very much, it's hard to figure out which 20 those would be, but still. whereas the tv renaissance is like, people talking about *the same shows* cause really outside of those shows tv is horrible, the worst it has ever been.

― iatee, Tuesday, December 13, 2011 1:02 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

maybe you don't realize this because you don't watch tv but tv shows come in "seasons" where they come back year after year, so the reason people talk about the same shows is because the same shows stay on tv for multiple years

oh shit I was zinged bad

seasons, gotta write that one down

y'all

2 1/2 men was not in my top 50 shows fwiw

sorry for being unnecessarily sarcastic but that was a pretty silly point. people keep talking about the same tv shows because new episodes come out with new things happening so there's new stuff to talk about.

"new" things "new" stuff

tv turned into sweary soap opera so slowly i never even noticed

i always forget about tv show, that i watch them, i usually enjoy one episode and forget to ever watch it again. i mean there are exceptions but

movies are art but tv is more fun to argue abt on the internet

well most movies arent art really but at least a couple a year seem to manage it

movies usually only waste 2 hours of yr time

tv is incapable of beauty is really the problem, some shows tell interesting stories tho like

i like long movies i do get the appeal of #sustainednarrative, also the way that you can argue w/ppl abt w/e this weeks spinning top is, did it fall or not blah blah blah

i think movies are better at showing you worlds, like 'margin call', despite the reduced time is probably more 'informative' but tv can be better at 'telling', letting oyu live inside the world it creates

i liked buffy

i voted tv but i am blind to/suspicious of cinematic beauty tbh so i think i'm just missing the thing Lamp's talking about

I think the problem w/ sustainednarrative tv is that there are usually so many writers involved that someone ends up fucking it up along the way, it's a lot easier for a movie to be perfect than a tv series

this is like the novels v poetry debate that kept rearing its head when i was in grad school, except novels and poetry are better than tv and movies.

nah modern novels are about as bad as modern movies

or about as good