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wire, sopranos, breaking bad, mad men, louie, west wing (first 3 seasons or so), party down, eastbound and down (1st season), 30 Rock (first 2 seasons) parks & friggin rec >>> than 98.9% of all movies i've seen in the last several years. it's possible i've missed some really good ones due to laziness but

(will), Monday, 12 December 2011 23:56 (seven years ago) link

I like movies but I watch more TV now, and I have been enjoying TV more than movies (for lots of the reasons already stated in this thread). Part of the change is access - with Netflix streaming and iTunes and Amazon and Hulu and all that, I have access to a lot of TV shows that I either couldn't get to before, or didn't want to mess with because of commercials/having to be home at the right time.

Maybe it's better to differentiate between TV as "what is playing per the channel channel at any given time" and TV as "serialized episodic visual entertainment." Because I'm thinking of it as the latter, and even including stuff like web-based series and stuff like Louis CK's $5 download comedy special.

Because TV as defined by what is air right now at any given moment is largely crap, but by the second definition, it's pretty fantastic.

wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Monday, 12 December 2011 23:56 (seven years ago) link

Also, strangely, I have noticed a recent shift in my tastes wherein I prefer movies to be pleasant escapist entertainment, while I like TV shows that are challenging and complex and sometimes difficult to watch. It used to be the exact opposite - movies were for engaging my brain, while TV was for shutting it down.

wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Monday, 12 December 2011 23:59 (seven years ago) link

almost all tv is bad. really bad. worse than watching a bad movie.

I agree with this 100%, and I still vote for TV over movies. Because the small percentage of really good TV is really good. The better stuff is sort of becoming more of a niche product, but I think we're on the cusp of the television industry being hit with new and different viewer expectations in much the same way the recording industry was hit several years back, so I think you're going to see an increasing number of experimental models that cater more to those niche viewers (a la Netflix's distribution of new Arrested Development episodes). I think judging TV on the basis of the material that thousands of channels scrape together in order to have something to broadcast 24/7/365 is as wrongheaded as judging music on the basis of the fact that you can hear "Moves Like Jagger" three times an hour on the radio. There are ways other than mindlessly gawping at some stupid channel for hours to engage with the medium, and I doubt that's how most people who enjoy television enjoy television.

In Your Velour Slacks (Hairplug Receipts), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:00 (seven years ago) link

And jenny more or less beat me to it while I was writing.

In Your Velour Slacks (Hairplug Receipts), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:01 (seven years ago) link

Whoever you are, you have excellent and well-reasoned opinions.

wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:03 (seven years ago) link

Lol at the main anti-TV people being like "I haven't watched TV in years." way to invalidate your opinion.

n/a, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:05 (seven years ago) link

sorry let me go buy a new tv just to make sure I still don't like tv

iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:09 (seven years ago) link

yeah it's pretty much impossible to watch tv today w/out having an actual set there are no other routes/models of watching television things over the last ten years

Mordy, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:14 (seven years ago) link

Lol at the main anti-TV people being like "I haven't watched TV in years." way to invalidate your opinion.

I turn on the TV pretty much every night after dinner and 9 times out of 10 there is nothing decent on that I haven't seen before. There are no new episodes of the Sopranos, or Mad Men, or 30 Rock. I have seen all the Simpsons and South Park episodes I ever want to see. Always Sunny's seasons are like 10 episodes long or something...? I am always better off getting a movie from the local shop.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:17 (seven years ago) link

TV, by a lot. Even in novels I love, I don't attach emotionally to characters, but in really good TV I do. The episode of Louie this season when he professes his love to Pamela Adler was more powerful to me than any (new) movie I've seen in years. And Luck, last night, looked better than any recent movie I can think of.

I'll totally cop to this being an attention-span and setting thing, too - watching DVDs at home, I'm too connected with the outside world. I'll start looking up the actors or directors or something that catches my interest. Can't do that in a theater so I'd much rather see movies in one - but what makes it to theaters (even the Angelikas/Landmarks near me) usually isn't worth paying $20 plus gas to see.

milo z, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:25 (seven years ago) link

and I dunno, I guess I don't see much TV because if I'm looking to get into a new show there's almost always something highly touted that I haven't seen. I bought the first season of Breaking Bad recently and I haven't seen 90% of the Community run that's on Hulu now.

milo z, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:27 (seven years ago) link

dumbest fucking fucking poll ever

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:28 (seven years ago) link

I do not watch/enjoy the thing you are comparing with the thing I do watch/enjoy = 'dumbest fucking fucking poll ever'

In Your Velour Slacks (Hairplug Receipts), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:48 (seven years ago) link

because the answer is obvious or because there can't be made a valid comparison or because you can't choose or because you require the correct capitalisation of abbreviations or why, exactly?

bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:50 (seven years ago) link

tv's been better than movies for years, imo

bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:50 (seven years ago) link

that's nice

bye

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:51 (seven years ago) link

(what really sucks is music)

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:53 (seven years ago) link

everything but the internet sucks

iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:54 (seven years ago) link

true!

bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:54 (seven years ago) link

Morbs...never change.

In Your Velour Slacks (Hairplug Receipts), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:54 (seven years ago) link

xp!

bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:54 (seven years ago) link

!

bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:55 (seven years ago) link

i'm feeling like it could be with dramas, esp including like foreign films, docs, whatever kind of movie hip in-the-know ppl like, movies are still superior to tv. but in terms of laughs i'd love to hear from someone who believes there are more lols to be had from movies

Mordy, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:55 (seven years ago) link

internet has more lols than tv

iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:55 (seven years ago) link

I agree w/ you tho, film has always been a shitty medium for comedy

iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:56 (seven years ago) link

i dunno 'drive' had em rollin in the isles

bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:56 (seven years ago) link

i'd probably answer internet in a tv or movies or internet poll

Mordy, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:56 (seven years ago) link

drive is serious face ryan gosling movie right?

Mordy, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:57 (seven years ago) link

p much co-signing morbs here BUT
it's frustrating to me that no-one has really mentioned any movies (apart from bridesmaids), either those that were good, back in the day, or are good, now, BUT ALSO
it's also frustrating to me that louie is being held up as the competition for film because i do like that show an awful lot and in fact as much as i like a lot of cinema. but that's a credit to the show, rather than a way to denigrate film, & it's being made of something that imo is like the apex of tv.

Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:57 (seven years ago) link

i'm feeling like it could be with dramas, esp including like foreign films, docs, whatever kind of movie hip in-the-know ppl like, movies are still superior to tv. but in terms of laughs i'd love to hear from someone who believes there are more lols to be had from movies

yeah i don't really feel like we were even arguing if the debate was 'comedy tv' or 'comedy film'

Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:58 (seven years ago) link

so really my answer is tv but not bc i'm watching more tv these days and more bc i'm just watching way more comedies these days. i'm so much less interested in most dramas including tv dramas.

Mordy, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:01 (seven years ago) link

still all this tv renaissance stuff is like, people naming a dozen shows. I am sure there were at least 20 movies I didn't see this year that I would have enjoyed very much, it's hard to figure out which 20 those would be, but still. whereas the tv renaissance is like, people talking about *the same shows* cause really outside of those shows tv is horrible, the worst it has ever been.

iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:02 (seven years ago) link

your argument is basically that bc you're sure movies also have 20 things you'd enjoy very much, that means tvs 20 great things doesn't excuse tv for being terrible? like, there are still shitty movies all over the place and it's the worst it has ever been so what's your point?

Mordy, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:03 (seven years ago) link

i want to insert something molly lambert said in a rambling blog entry about how tv is for women and movies are for men, but that sounds impossibly glib because i don't remember exactly how she said it. the context was that she thought tv had given women more opportunities to create/direct/write than the movie industry has. if that sounds dumb it is my fault, not molly lambert's.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:03 (seven years ago) link

in the longer term tv is gonna get more internety and the cable networks are screwed and it's prob gonna be good for short comedies that can be made cheaply and not great for $2m an episode dramas.

iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:04 (seven years ago) link

i am basically morbs here but for me this is like a poll of snacks vs. meals.

i eat snacks way more these days!
eating snacks is so much more comfortable!
i can do it on my couch!
lots of REALLY GOOD snacks out there today!

nuhnuhnuh, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:04 (seven years ago) link

what a weird comparison between something you need to live situated in various models of ritual eating that span human existence and entertainment made by ppl in relatively novel human industries

Mordy, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:05 (seven years ago) link

There are definitely a lot more prominent female tv writers than movie writers

Number None, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:06 (seven years ago) link

your argument is basically that bc you're sure movies also have 20 things you'd enjoy very much, that means tvs 20 great things doesn't excuse tv for being terrible?

my argument is I have seen like 10 of those '20 great things' and I liked 4 of them, and there aren't any more hiding on some obscure cable channel, whereas there are always dozens of good movies being made across the world

iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:06 (seven years ago) link

12 tv shows * 15 hours of viewing apiece = 174 hours of quality viewing = 87 movies

milo z, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:06 (seven years ago) link

+ 40 movies worth of commercials

iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:07 (seven years ago) link

only film has sent me into hypnagogic states of mind where i commune with being blah blah, no amount of awesome plot from a tv show can compete with that.

xp to mordy you're kind of proving my suspicion that people who think tv is superior or whatever have no imagination

nuhnuhnuh, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:08 (seven years ago) link

there are no commercials when you download everything from the internet

Number None, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:08 (seven years ago) link

ya which is why tv is doomed

iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:09 (seven years ago) link

because even people who like it hate it

iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:09 (seven years ago) link

only film has sent me into hypnagogic states of mind where i commune with being blah blah, no amount of awesome plot from a tv show can compete with that.

xp to mordy you're kind of proving my suspicion that people who think tv is superior or whatever have no imagination

i can imagine you communing with being blah blah

Mordy, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:10 (seven years ago) link

i'm not comparing older cinema comedies with older tv comedies. i'm only comparing contemporaneous ones.

Mordy, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:11 (seven years ago) link

it also helps that nothing on tv has ever come close to what movie art has pretty consistently achieved for what, 6-7 decades more or less?

nuhnuhnuh, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:12 (seven years ago) link

not saying that people don't sometimes excuse weak material with "you just have to get into it" but it's crazy to exclude all comedy that involves meticulous build-up of observation or establishment of expectations

obviously I'm referring primarily to the former scenario.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:12 (seven years ago) link

didn't they try a "party girl" sitcom?

n/a, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:12 (seven years ago) link

I don't think the first few episodes of Parks and Rec were particularly funny. If I were recommending the show to someone I knew would be impatient, I would tell them to start with Season 2, and I don't think they would miss out on much. But ultimately I didn't mind watching them because they created context and familiarity. And one of the things that TV has on movies is that allows you to develop relationships with characters over time. I watch P&R not just for the laffs but also b/c I care about those people.

jaymc, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:17 (seven years ago) link

it's not just lesser shows people are pretending to like that take some time to really get invested in, it's pretty much EVERY SHOW, especially if you're watching it from the beginning and it's one of the 99% of good shows that had a shaky start

Mr. Stevenson #2, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:17 (seven years ago) link

and then sometimes you invest yrself in a show that turns to shit... like, say BSG or (I have been led to understand) Lost.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:22 (seven years ago) link

xp That's true: most shows take at least a few episodes to find their rhythm, figure out what they do best.

jaymc, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:23 (seven years ago) link

my choice of films over tv wasn't a judgment of quality, it was more about which one fits my lifestyle better - actually i agree that the best tv is great because it allows you into this self-contained and detailed world that references back to itself, past events, different characters etc all the time. i just don't have the time for that sort of entertainment! and following tv in a more dilettantish kind of way feels way less satisfying.

films are both more disposable, weirdly (in that all you have to commit is a couple of hours then it's over) but also more intense an experience.

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:24 (seven years ago) link

(I have been led to understand) Lost.

yeah, I wouldn't mind having those 130-something hours of my life back, tbh

William (C), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:25 (seven years ago) link

something else i like about tv is that it doesn't have to tell you the whole story in two hours, so it's just more relaxed about everything.

in screenwriting there's this golden rule that every line of dialogue has to say something about both the plot and the character saying it, which is like seriously rigorous, and i feel like usually this mentality stretches out to every other aspect of the movie as well: you've got like an hour 45 and that's IT so every microparticle of the soundtrack and set and everything has to be honed to extract the maximum impact of whatever it is the director's trying to do. (this is one reason i think there are so many heist movies and thrillers, which you don't get so much of on tv - the characters' lives turn on the same kind of nanosecond mechanics that directors have trained themselves to excel at in the crafting of their movies). not all movies have this kind of saturation of meaning but most seem to. and sometimes it's great when the whole thing really clicks like a well-oiled machine. but i like to watch things unfold languidly too, or seemingly at random, or with small stakes - no big weddings or nuclear bombs - and tv seems suited to that because of its serial nature and its length.

his venerable escutcheon, Thursday, 15 December 2011 01:38 (seven years ago) link

i mean even in something as slow and natural as "i've loved you so long", there's really not a single wasted shot.

i guess another contributing factor here is what morbs hates - tv has to share space with the rest of your house, and it doesn't envelop your senses the same way, so it doesn't make as much sense to invest every frame with freighted meaning cause half the audience just put a forkful of ramen in their mouths

his venerable escutcheon, Thursday, 15 December 2011 01:41 (seven years ago) link

and then sometimes you invest yrself in a show that turns to shit... like, say BSG or (I have been led to understand) Lost.

Lost was like a really fun and engaging videogame that ends not with some awesome boss but rather with a screenshot of the designers thanking you for playing. And also they're flipping you off and one of them has your toothbrush up his ass.

In Your Velour Slacks (Hairplug Receipts), Thursday, 15 December 2011 02:32 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Saturday, 29 December 2012 00:01 (six years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Sunday, 30 December 2012 00:01 (six years ago) link


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