J.R. Smith has literally been shanghaied away for the foreshortened 2011-2012 NBA season: rolling ILH sandbox thread

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they could totes play them together even!

Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 12 December 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

hmm - westbrook as SG? seems more natural for him idk

dayo, Monday, 12 December 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

then maybe flip flop them on D, billups is too slow now to stay in front of pgs, but prob strong enough to check sgs a la kidd

Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 12 December 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link

I haven't heard, yet. Have the NBAPA and the league actually presented a finished CBA to the players to vote on? I'll feel a bit antsy until this CBA is put to bed.

Aimless, Monday, 12 December 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link

yeah that would be pretty sick tbh, westbrook would have to adjust tho xp

didn't read the hollinger piece, did he pretty much say he's not going to miami because some other team will claim him one way or another?

k3vin k., Monday, 12 December 2011 18:36 (twelve years ago) link

he didnt mention miami at all *shrug*

Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 12 December 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link

Let the mayhem begin.
By Monday at 6 p.m. ET, interested teams will have to submit sealed bids in the first-ever "amnesty auction" to determine who, if anyone, will get the rights to point guard Chauncey Billups. A similar process already unfolded for the amnesty-qualified but thoroughly unloved Gilbert Arenas; eventually, we will probably see this process repeated for a few more players, including San Antonio small forward Richard Jefferson, New Jersey small forward Travis Outlaw, Golden State guard Charlie Bell and Houston center Hasheem Thabeet.

We may see some stealth candidates emerge in the next week, too, as we're going to see a few "opportunistic amnesties" to create cap space or exceptions for a free-agent deal. Bell and Thabeet are examples of that; depending on what the Clippers do to woo Chris Paul, Mo Williams could be another.

Another, less-discussed one is Portland center Marcus Camby. He's due $12.6 million this season, and cutting him would save Portland a nearly equal amount in luxury tax, plus it would create just enough room to let the team use its full midlevel exception. I consider it unlikely, but if the Blazers don't grant Brandon Roy amnesty -- a calculation that depends largely on how much their insurance payout will be -- Portland might decide to take the plunge with Camby.

But let's get back to Billups, because he is both first on the list and, almost certainly, the best player that is going to be available in this process. He's been doing his best to dissuade anyone from acquiring him, both because he'd like to choose a contender rather than the mostly downtrodden teams with enough cap space to bid on him, and because he can "double-dip" and get paid a second contract if nobody picks him up. Every player who receives amnesty is likely to do the same song-and-dance, but I doubt anyone will listen.

By my count, there are 15 teams which, by Monday, could potentially have enough cap space to bid the veteran's minimum (the minimum bid) and acquire Billups for this season (since he had one year left on his deal with New York before the amnesty).

Before we go to them, I must emphasize that whatever team gets Billups has him for the season. The ENTIRE season. According to ESPN.com's Larry Coon, players who are designated for amnesty status acquired via auction can't be traded until July 1.

So forget about picking up Chauncey as a trade chip -- you can't. That should cause a sigh of relief in the Billups camp, as it would seemingly take the league's five rebuilding teams with major cap space -- Charlotte, Sacramento, Toronto, Washington and Minnesota -- out of the picture, as well as the league-owned Hornets. (But can you imagine the uproar if the NBA submitted the winning bid?)

You can cross off Cleveland, Denver and Milwaukee too, since each would need to designate a player for amnesty to add Billups and each has a backcourt logjam already.

So who are the favorites to nab Mr. Billups? There are six teams that I'd give a non-zero chance of making a bid, and one in particular that I think would be well-advised to do so.

Let's go through them in reverse order:

6. Houston Rockets
Do not put this past Rockets GM Daryl Morey. While the Rockets have all their cap space committed to an offer sheet for Marc Gasol right now, they would regain their cap space if the Grizzlies match it by 5 p.m. ET on Monday. If so, the Rockets could potentially swoop in and nab a veteran point guard for their reconstructed roster ... and then trade Kyle Lowry or Goran Dragic for a starter at the wings. Unlikely? Sure. Impossible? Not ready to say that yet.

5. Golden State Warriors
The Warriors just used all their cap space to sign DeAndre Jordan to an offer sheet, which likely takes them out of the game ... unless the Clippers match it by 6 p.m. ET on Monday. If that were to happen, I'd think Golden State would immediately become a major player in the Billups chase.

Given that the Warriors just cut Jeremy Lin and have no backup guards with a minute of NBA experience, and given that they seem hell-bent on becoming a respectable playoff team this season instead of providing another wildly entertaining 32-50 campaign, Billups would seem to make a good target for them.

4. Los Angeles Clippers
The Clippers will be busy working every angle to get Chris Paul and at the moment are over the salary cap. They would get back under if they decline to match Golden State's offer sheet for DeAndre Jordan, or they could assign Mo Williams amnesty status to get back under the cap line and make a bid for Billups. Such a move would have virtually no impact on the Paul pursuit, since their cap space isn't an important consideration in those talks.

Billups makes some sense in L.A., as the Clippers have a potentially dominant front line that could use some more shooting to help spread out opponents, and Billups can play off the ball and space the floor with CP at the point. Billups would have some problems defensively, sure, but it beats the heck out of starting Randy Foye. Alas, I suspect it's highly unlikely that owner Donald Sterling would agree to pay a perfectly usable Mo Williams $17 million to play for somebody else, so the only way the Clips get in on this is if they decline to match the offer sheet to Jordan.

3. Indiana Pacers
While the Pacers have Darren Collison and A.J. Price at the point and George Hill as a combo guard, they don't seem terribly happy with their backcourt and are still looking to upgrade. The Pacers have $5 million in cap space after signing David West, a number that could jump to $12 million if they designate James Posey for amnesty. Billups would be a stopgap solution. But the Pacers, along with the Clippers and Warriors, are looking to make a big jump in the standings this season. A lineup with Billups, West and Danny Granger would be among the best-shooting teams in basketball; at worst, Billups would be a major upgrade over Price at backup point guard.

Of course, Indy may be content to keep its powder dry and use it in other ways; for instance, a sign-and-trade of Josh McRoberts for O.J. Mayo would eat up their remaining space unless they use their amnesty rights on Posey. I put them only third on this list because I'm not hearing much about them having interest, but connect the dots and it makes some sense.

2. New Jersey Nets
The Nets have $22 million in cap space if they put the amnesty tag on Travis Outlaw, but they're going to need it all to put together a trade for Dwight Howard that allows the Magic to dump Hedo Turkoglu's contract, and aside from Brook Lopez that's pretty much the main "asset" the Nets have for a Howard deal right now. Although they need a backup point guard and could play Deron Williams and Billups together for big chunks of the game, I would consider them highly unlikely to make a bid.

Ironically, the one way New Jersey might get involved is if Nene agrees to terms. That would blow up the Nets' cap space anyway, so New Jersey would have more motivation to submit a bid. The Nets wouldn't have much room unless they renounced Kris Humphries -- I'm guessing they'd rather not -- but they could assign amnesty to Outlaw and bid the veteran's minimum for Billups if Nene's first-year salary is $14.5 million.

1. Oklahoma City Thunder
And now we're down to the team that could really use Billups and have the money free and clear. Oklahoma City still has $2.8 million in cap room, a number that could go up if they (a) cut Royal Ivey and his $1.2 million, (b) reach a buyout agreement with Nate Robinson to lessen his $4 million cap hit, or (c) use their amnesty tag on Robinson.

The thought of Billups with this team has to have Thunder GM Sam Presti rubbing his hands diabolically. Not only would Billups' savvy be an incredible teaching tool for the Thunder's kids, but he's exactly the kind of efficient deep shooter they need to space the floor for their dynamic athletes. Although it would stymie the progress of Eric Maynor and Reggie Jackson a bit, the Thunder are probably ready to make this type of move. The West is theirs for the taking, and Billups can help get them there.

Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 12 December 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link

dear basketball lord, plz make this deal happen

q: are we not bel biv men? a: we are bel biv devo (m bison), Monday, 12 December 2011 18:39 (twelve years ago) link

well see how the free agent period plays out, but i kinda have okc as my title favorite, particularly considering they can be depended on to make the right in season personnel moves

Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 12 December 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link

idg the warriors and nets at at all

k3vin k., Monday, 12 December 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link

lol even he says re nets 'I would consider them highly unlikely to make a bid.'

Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 12 December 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link

Billups to Thunder gets my vote, too. Blazers aren't going very far this year and Memphis got blowed-up real good, so it would be fun watching Durant in the chip series this year.

Aimless, Monday, 12 December 2011 18:51 (twelve years ago) link

Paul to Clips deal dead, for now, at least.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 12 December 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

damn this thread moves fast. its worse than an nfl thread >:3

amon, Monday, 12 December 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

this entire thing is so dumb

v-shasty, Monday, 12 December 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

r.i.p. hamilton btw

amon, Monday, 12 December 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

breaking: cp3 to raptors

amon, Monday, 12 December 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

Surely you jest.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 12 December 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

I wish Minny would place a bid for Billups. They need a point guard.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 12 December 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

RicBucher Ric Bucher
Hearing that Clips' offer for Paul has been rejected. No confirmation/details yet.

cad, Monday, 12 December 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

No confirmation/details yet.

^ sums up entire preseason thus far

amon, Monday, 12 December 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link

Anyone see a story that chauncey billups just announced his retirement via facebook?

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 12 December 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

lmao @ chris paul saga, this off season, and the whole entire nba

Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 12 December 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

btw just overheard a group of teenage boys discussing the knicks on the way back from picking up my laundry, direct quote: 'nigga we got iman shumpert'

Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 12 December 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link

BreakingNews Breaking News
NBA reportedly blocks 2nd Chris Paul trade deal to LA Clippers; sources say package wasn't enough - @NYDNsports nydn.us/v3PihI
1 minute ago

this shits getting out of control, making the breaking news tweets

Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 12 December 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link

btw just overheard a group of teenage boys discussing the knicks on the way back from picking up my laundry, direct quote: 'nigga we got iman shumpert'

― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, December 12, 2011 1:39 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

well i guess that is technically true...

v-shasty, Monday, 12 December 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link

what team will the nba allow paul to play for?

  • raptors
  • timberwolves
  • georgia tech
  • sable palm elementary school

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 12 December 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link

I thought the Raptors had died.

Aimless, Monday, 12 December 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link

http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/11/11925/12212032.jpg

amon, Monday, 12 December 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link

what team will the nba allow paul to play for?

  • raptors
  • timberwolves
  • georgia tech
  • sable palm elementary school
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, December 12, 2011 7:45 PM

  • cavs

amon, Monday, 12 December 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link

ah!

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 12 December 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link

:-(

https://twitter.com/#!/si_vault/status/146315774691250176/photo/1

:-(

v-shasty, Monday, 12 December 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link

jesus fn christ greg plz let us move on w/our lives

Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 12 December 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link

better? http://i.imgur.com/PyVK6.jpg

Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 12 December 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link

ho ho hoden

amon, Monday, 12 December 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link

Another medical retirement seems in order here. Can't he get a note from his doctor that would satisfy the insurance company's lawyers?

Aimless, Monday, 12 December 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

all of sudden...
pacers is awesome

moullet, Monday, 12 December 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link

what happen? (pacers)

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 12 December 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link

nets "debating" whether to put a claim in for chauncey billups in amnesty circus.

not sure why they'd do that. they have dwill, and they need money to get dwight howard. billups has no trade value, because he's made clear he'll retire if he's dealt to an insufficiently competitive team (e.g., a howard-less magic).

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 12 December 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

wait so can teams over the salary cap not put in a bid at all for amnesty guys? im still confused on how this thing works. im guessing they cant because i assume some contender (celts, lakers, mavs??) would be all over a minimum bid for chauncey even as a third guard or injury insurance

concussion section, Monday, 12 December 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link

also can i just looool at the TWOLVES swooping in for barea, that dude is only useful in the exact situation he was in for the mavs (change-of-pace third guard on a slow, old, contending team with guard depth)

concussion section, Monday, 12 December 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link

like, really, you just paid a dude 5m a year to block rubio from seeing the court

concussion section, Monday, 12 December 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

it appears the nets are playing a very calculating game:

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA -- If Orlando believes signing Billups could help keep Dwight Howard, clearly Nets are suggesting: Well, maybe Big Shot won't be a free agent.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 12 December 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link

billups isn't going to orlando as a free-agent, anyway. and billups -- at 35 -- isn't keeping howard in orlando for any length of time.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 12 December 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link

Twolves GM to Rubio: "You're our guy. Leave europe and come play here". Twolves GM under his breath: "You will pay for jilting me."

Aimless, Monday, 12 December 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link

also can i just looool at the TWOLVES swooping in for barea, that dude is only useful in the exact situation he was in for the mavs (change-of-pace third guard on a slow, old, contending team with guard depth)

― concussion section, Monday, December 12, 2011 4:32 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

david kahn made the decision that the wolves needed another point guard - you don't question david kahn about point guards

tumblr whine-y (dayo), Monday, 12 December 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA -- Y! Sources: Hornets GM Dell Demps a "spectator" in basketball decisions. Stern's deputies running Chris Paul talks.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 12 December 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link

what's the t-wolves story?

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 12 December 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link

JJ Barea should buy Dirk a thank you gift.

Aimless, Monday, 12 December 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link

well, maybe i was wrong about dwight howard maybe staying in orlando if they land billups. hm.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 12 December 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link


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