J.R. Smith has literally been shanghaied away for the foreshortened 2011-2012 NBA season: rolling ILH sandbox thread

prob say the same about chandler too

yeah let's be real, noah is good and all, but the reason that team's defense is sick is the perimeter D.

exactly - he was not a great shotblocker xp

over the last ten years which is the most relevant comparison for how basketball is played now in the nba more of the champions have had defensively elite big men than elite two guards by far!

― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:13 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

manu, wade, kobe.

― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:17 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

1st of all manu was not by any measure elite in 03, 2nd it doesnt matter my point still stands - 10 defensive big men in ten years, 6 elite shooting guards

btw i do think this comparison is so inexact as to be prob meaningless cause like some other team couldve easily won any of those year, but still its k interesting

kevin garnett makes my point more than it makes yours -- you should've said perkins or something

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:18 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

a lot of rim protecting the rim that noah, gibson and asik did

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:19 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

now u are just being willfully inane

like, tyson chandler will make the knicks better, but the idea that he alone is going to cure all of their defensive ills is totally nuts

i think wallace's impact was less about rim protecting and more about rebounding the shit out of the ball

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:22 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

ben wallace was a DOMINANT defender

garnett is obviously a great defender, but he's also one of the best overall big men of all time -- like, duh, he was on a really good championship team. "rim protecting" is prob like the 8th most important thing that he does.

no way defense is his strongest point by far

yeah let's be real, noah is good and all, but the reason that team's defense is sick is the perimeter D.

― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:22 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

bulls 2nd team was even better @ D than their first asik and gibson arguably the best interior D combo in the league

yeah but even "rim protecting" is not the most important thing that he does on D

disagree

bulls lost cause they only have one guy who can score, and cause bron hit a bunch of threes

it's probably the worst thing he does on D!

lol ur nuts

bulls 2nd team was even better @ D than their first asik and gibson arguably the best interior D combo in the league

― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:27 AM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark

this is true and amazing in the regular season but both of these guys ended up being liabilities vs the heat towards the end of the series bcuz they can't do shit on offense and eventually will get called for mad fouls

he blocked .9 shots per game last year. Like Nene.

iirc at the end of game 6 they were playing kurt thomas at center

he's averaged more steals than blocks in Boston.

even in minnesota his shotblocking and rim protecting was very disappointing considering his athletic gifts.

he blocked .9 shots per game last year. Like Nene.

― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:30 AM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

and he was also one million years old last year and played limited minutes

more steals than blocks in boston.

a one million year old KG would prob be one of the funniest ppl to talk to

disappointed there isn't more valuable conversation about iman shumpert happening itt

Pau Gasol career bpg: 1.7
Kevin Garnett: 1.5

man either u think blocked shots is a relevant stat or you dont matt, blocks and steals are both great, he can do both - what id suggest is looking at how much better bostons D got when he arrived, its really quite shocking - and i can tell you as someone who watched a p high % of his games while he was there including nearly every one during the championship season, protecting the rim was his #1 defensive responsibility

dayo i told you basically all you need to know about iman shumpert -- he might take 3 shots per game next season

man either u think blocked shots is a relevant stat or you dont matt, blocks and steals are both great, he can do both - what id suggest is looking at how much better bostons D got when he arrived, its really quite shocking - and i can tell you as someone who watched a p high % of his games while he was there including nearly every one during the championship season, protecting the rim was his #1 defensive responsibility

― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:35 AM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

He's a totally awesome full court defender. Protecting the rim is the least of his defensive assets.

possibly the only other defender who deterred layups better than garnett over the last 10+ years was duncan

j0rd ok, but I just want more excuses to see the name iman shumpert

it's too bad that he'll never make a basket ever cuz that's a great marv albert name -- "imaaan SHUMP-ert"

marv would really deliver that like someone punched him in the stomach right as he started to say his last name

how do you even pronounce his first name

possibly the only other defender who deterred layups better than garnett over the last 10+ years was duncan

― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:36 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

just... no. I mean, even bogut with one arm is better than KG has ever been at protecting the rim.

oh I guess you mean another player who played over that span?

i guess teams not being able to score inside on the celtics right after garnett arrived was just ~magic~

Shaqtus definitely deterred more layups come on.

when did thibs coach for boston

shaq was sick for a while but then he got fat

shaq is the biggest human being ever, so that's prob true

like how could you even be as big as shaq, it defies logic imo

when did thibs coach for boston

― am0n shumpert (dayo), Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:42 AM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

thibbs is a great coach but if you think he couldve done shit w/the pre garnett c's idk what to say

i guess teams not being able to score inside on the celtics right after garnett arrived was just ~magic~

― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:42 AM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

They had Garnett playing awesome man defense! On opposing team's best big men. But challenging drives to the basket? That's never been his best asset.

I'm just narrowing down possibilities jh0

he was straight patrolling the paint! as someone who watched all the games i assure you!

or should I say... SCOOPS

has any NBA ever tried the 'fat goalie' theory of defense - get somebody who is literally so fat that guards would get called for charges any time they tried to make a layup

hes actually is vulnerable one on one if the opposing player has weight on him, he matches up well w/gasol but not zach randolph, for that they had perk, rip

he's always been a cherry picker with blocks. If it's a serious challenge at the rim he bails. That's why he's averaged fewer blocks than Gasol. He might "patrol the paint," but he doesn't guard the rim.

or should I say... SCOOPS

― am0n shumpert (dayo), Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:45 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

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