We're 100% certain that Ryan Braun cheated and Matt Kemp did not, huh?
― Andy K, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:31 (twelve years ago) link
keithlaw keithlawRyan Braun's ISO in 2011 was .018 above his ISO over the prior four years, when he would have tested negative for PEDs at least six times.
― Andy K, Sunday, 11 December 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think any of that changes that he's still a total idiot for taking them, or taking whatever he was taking that elevated his testosterone
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
Positive tests for sanctimony upcoming
― Dr Morbius, Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
Interesting point, improbably, from Olney:
Braun is the 2011 NL MVP and there is no precedent for that to be altered, even if he's suspended. The Baseball Writers Association of America has never stripped a winner of an award, including Alex Rodriguez, who has acknowledged using performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, when he won the AL MVP.
But that's a stance completely at odds with the writers' collective stance in the Hall of Fame balloting, in which voters have treated the history of Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmeiro, et al, as if it doesn't exist; they've stripped those players of the accomplishments of their entire careers -- and sometimes based on mere suspicion, as in the case of Jeff Bagwell.
― Dr Morbius, Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Ken RosenthalSource: Braun tested positive for a prohibited substance, not a performance-enhancing drug. More coming on FOXSports.com.
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
STONER
― Z S, Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ryan-braun.jpg
― Z S, Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
totes
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
go listen to your workingman's dead someone where else, ryan braun - this is a family friendly town and we want nothing to do with your likes
― Z S, Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
I hope that's the extent of it.
Olney is conflating a vote that's already happened, MVP, with one that hasn't, HOF. No HOF player has ever been removed from the Hall, and if a prospective MVP tested positive in late August or September, I think it's safe to say he would not go on to win the award. I don't see a parallel there. (And, as I've always said, I think caution in HOF voting--where there is ample time to revisit a player's candidacy--is sensible.)
― clemenza, Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
But my source -- and again, this is from Braun's end and not MLB -- familiar with the test's findings says the "prohibited substance" was not a performance-enhancing drug or steroid of any kind. And the source says there has "never" been a result like this in the history of the MLB testing program.
The source said MLB "knows that Ryan is telling the truth) and firmly believes the postive test will be overturned. Pretty amazing stuff, huh?
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/135405518.html
― j crunchwrap supreme, Sunday, 11 December 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
"never"
damn, i was hoping JS was, like, "jewish sentinel" or something
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
elevated levels of gefilte fish
― j crunchwrap supreme, Sunday, 11 December 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
trace amts of blood in his LSD stream
― William (C), Sunday, 11 December 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
i thought there was no way i could like braun more (of course, that affection nosedived when i heard he was using PEDs) but if it turns out he's a stoner... <3
― Mordy, Sunday, 11 December 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
y'all it's not gonna be a recreational drug
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
what's it going to be?
― Mordy, Sunday, 11 December 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
"the test's findings says the "prohibited substance" was not a performance-enhancing drug or steroid of any kind"
i guess it could be some kind of medically treatment?
― Mordy, Sunday, 11 December 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
well idk i guess either report could be wrong at this point
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
i mean mlb hasn't actually said anything -- from what i can tell we just have dueling reports b/w espn & rosenthal
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
it would be an unusual turn of events tho -- my guess is that it will be some sort of "supplement" or something that's ambiguous enough for braun to escape heavy public scrutiny but not enough to get his appeal overturned
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
if he's a stoner he's off my must-fuck list
― Dr Morbius, Sunday, 11 December 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
plus if "there has 'never' been a result like this in the history of the MLB testing program" it sure the hell ain't pot etc.
― Dr Morbius, Sunday, 11 December 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
# joe_sheehan All this discussion of false positives and unfair leaks reminds of when A-Rod's anonymous test result came out. Only the exact opposite.
― Dr Morbius, Sunday, 11 December 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
i read that more as never before has a result like this been treated like this, but if you're right that it means never before has a test result ever been like this than i'd guess it's something medical related showing up
xp
― Mordy, Sunday, 11 December 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
i'd prob take this one w/ a grain or 50 of salt
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
this all bad news, but this line from the latest update on MLBTR has me loling: Braun's original test for performance-enhancing drugs was "insanely high, the highest ever for anyone who has ever taken a test, twice the level of the highest test ever taken,"
― sir thermo of thinwall, Monday, 12 December 2011 01:20 (twelve years ago) link
the testosterone level? or the presence of whatever the mystery substance is?
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 12 December 2011 03:44 (twelve years ago) link
just how hysterically it's phrased... "omg most epic substance intake evor!"
― sir thermo of thinwall, Monday, 12 December 2011 06:21 (twelve years ago) link
he was insanely high
― smh, Monday, 12 December 2011 06:42 (twelve years ago) link
Everything about this seems weird. Braun always seemed like a pretty smart guy so I don't think this is just a case of "I can't believe he was dumb enough to take PEDs".
― WE KILL BRONIES (Rolo Tony), Monday, 12 December 2011 13:30 (twelve years ago) link
aramis ramirez to the brewers?
― mookieproof, Monday, 12 December 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
poor casey mcgee.
― sir thermo of thinwall, Monday, 12 December 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
Keri on Braun sitch:
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/12053/what-do-we-really-know-about-ryan-braun
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
in the biggest signing of the off-season: the Marlins signed Aaron Rowand to a minor league deal
consolation prize for not getting Pujols
― Bee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
ha, what i was saying a few days back:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1213-braun-kemp-mvp-20111213,0,2301712.story
Dodgers' Matt Kemp would win MVP award over Ryan Braun in a new voteTimes survey of 20 writers who submitted ballots with the Milwaukee star winning shows that the Dodgers outfielder would win by a large margin if Braun's positive test for a banned substance is upheld on appeal...However, an official change isn't expected.
― Bee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 06:45 (twelve years ago) link
"poor casey mcgehee"
This was a reaction to his going to Pittsburgh, yes?
Mets took another $40 M loan.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
lol - yes, from bad to worse!
― sir thermo of thinwall, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
dontrelle to the phillies
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
very sad 2 me
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
front page of espn.com is a big picture of Prince Fielder but there's no news, sigh
― I'm in the mood to party (J0n Arbuckle), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
Alderson: Johan may not be ready in April
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/37196/alderson-mets-need-pitching-safety-net
I wonder what year Ike Davis will come back from his hangnail?
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
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LIFTOFF
― Mr Jimmy Mod, Thursday, 15 December 2011 01:52 (twelve years ago) link
red sox RELOAD with mark melancon and nick punto
― mookieproof, Thursday, 15 December 2011 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
i want to know who won the budding on Yu NOW!
― sir thermo of thinwall, Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
Steven Goldman and Ben Lindbergh of BP are now in the BBWAA btw
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 17 December 2011 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
Adios, Mat Latos. Padres got Yonder Alonso.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/reds-acquire-mat-latos-for-alonso-others.html
― polyphonic, Saturday, 17 December 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link