who the hell is iman shumpert
― dayo, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:19 (twelve years ago) link
knicks first round pick from this year
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
i just like his name
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
he's a guard who is a pretty good defender but can't do jack on offense, so he's actually a decent fit in NY
tylercowen tylercowen Dwight plus Kobe not so different from Dwight plus Gil, esp. with lots of games crammed together, no other big guy or great shooter.1 minute ago
cold
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
damn son
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
so like mario chalmers? xp
― dayo, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
no, mario chalmers is way better than this guy on offense
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
i get the sense he's way more like thabo seflaosha or something
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ guy w/ 7 PPG being better than this guy on offense
― dayo, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
hollinger
What does Houston do?First, hide the sharp objects in Daryl Morey's office. After that, the Rockets have a few alternatives. For one, they can turn around and try to get Paul directly, using many of the same players they were angling to use to get Pau Gasol from New Orleans in the defunct three-way deal. Also, Houston is likely out of the running for Nene minus the cap space the three-way deal would have created, but the Rockets might decide to jump in on the Chauncey Billups amnesty bidding, allowing them to dangle Kyle Lowry and Goran Dragic as trade bait. The Rockets also might sign Marc Gasol to an offer sheet.
One thing is clear -- the Rockets had been building assets to set up a trade exactly like this one, a home run that left them with a Gasol-Nene front line and a three- to four-year window to win a title. More than anybody, they got absolutely screwed by how this all went down.
lol oh no did the commissioner stop you from fleecing new orleans you poor thing, maybe you should talk to yr owner abt that whole the league owning a team concept
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
its funny how hollinger always over rates houston, like explain to me how gasol/nene dont get dunked on every play
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, December 11, 2011 9:35 AM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink
uh, nene is good defensively bro.
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
I don't get how Nene and Pau are complimentary players. I get Nene and Dwight, but not those two.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
nene is a pretty flashy shotblocker
― dayo, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
nene/gasol would be one of the best defensive 4/5 combos in the league, actually.
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
they would just have issues against the monsters like Bogut.
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
and DHo of course.
fellas fellas fellas this is so hilarious to me that odom was so butthurt about a potential trade that the lakes had to throw him into the welcoming arms of mark cuban for a bag of donuts
― concussion section, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:36 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
no hes not
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:38 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink
youre insane
gotta say im not really feeling any money for jeff green, wondering when this david west thing is done, not really feeling a lot of kg at center, etc etc
like randomly signing chris wilcox though, he can play 8 min a game and not kill you
wish joel pryzbilla or something was out there to keep kg out of playing center
― concussion section, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
― dayo, Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:38 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
totally w/that monster .5 blocks per game average
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
or .9 rather
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
nene/gasol makes sense to me offensively... i mean, nene's not really a back to the basket player is he?
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
he's a solid defender man. Crafty with steals, strong, mobile.
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
nene so rarely looks to score that it's hard to say, jord.
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
I would say he likes to isolate and face up mid-post.
man nene kinda sux, doesnt rebound, doesnt protect the rim, always injured, scores efficiently but has never averaged more than 15ppg
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
kinda pissed that the post-melo nuggets were only around for a half season, that team was exciting as fuck
nene made the most sense to me in that environment, where he could really run the break. dude was dropping atomic dunks on fools in that thunder series.
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, that's another one where i'm like... okay, you're absorbing the nucleus of a team that just lost to the hawks in the first round and adding a 33 year old kobe bryant. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
― v-shasty, Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:18 AM (25 minutes ago)
yeah why not just trade kobels to orlando, change disneyworld to disney land and basically you have the same thing
― k3vin k., Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
"protecting the rim" is the most overvalued defensive skill there is.
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:43 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
lol I didn't say he blocked a lot of shots - just that there are some good highlights of him blocking shots
― dayo, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
like nene you wouldnt mind pairing w/big rim protecting shot blocker and gasol you wouldnt mine pairing w/a big rim protecting shot blocker, together ehhhh
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
― v-shasty, Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:46 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
yeah I think nene is really mobile for a guy his size, very quick on his feet
― dayo, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:47 AM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink
it is perhaps the most important thing in the entire nba, definitely by far the single most important thing a team can do defensively
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
btw, i think it really goes to show, for all his faults, how fucking incredible lebron james is, to have carried the cavs as far every year as he did every year. howard and the magic had that totally embarrassing first round loss last year, paul could basically never get out of the first round if he even made it in the playoffs, and wade couldn't even win a playoff game after the 06 finals.
but i digress
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
drawing charges is protecting the rim. So are forcing missed layups. blocking shots is not "protecting the rim" but it's what people mean by "protecting the rim."
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
the one time that KG took the wolves past the first round, it was like we had cured AIDS or some shit
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
like deandre jordan is about to get paid a zillion dollars for "protecting the rim" but really he just blocks shots and doesn't do anything else defensively. I would rather have a guy who blocks a third as many shots and is actually capable of locking someone down.
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
having a big man that stands near the basket preventing layups is undoubtedly the single biggest predictor of defensive success in the nba
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
undoubtedly!
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think nene is truly max worthy, but honestly, a gasol/nene frontcourt was as good as houston was ever going to do, bcuz they're never going to get one of these big stars, no matter how often their name is floated. they definitely could've built around that and made it to like the WCF one year.
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
locking people down is cool but defense the way its played in the nba today is a team operation, having a big man who can lock down the middle makes everyones job easier, ask 'defensive genius' bruce bowen abt that one
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
idk, i feel like tyson chandler's effect on the finals was pretty minimal for a guy that's about to get paid $50m for "protecting the rim"
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:48 AM (1 minute ago)
otm, look at the magic last year
― k3vin k., Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
Miami Heat's awesome defense last year def. was based around Zydrunas.
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
the magic won two total playoff games fwiw
― v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:51 AM (2 minutes ago)
nene can't lock anyone down is the thing
― k3vin k., Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
"protecting the rim" is definitely important if you don't really mean "blocking shots." Blocking shots + Drawing charges, for example, is a much better metric.
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:57 (twelve years ago) link