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HI DERE
http://www.umanitoba.ca/faculties/arts/linguistics/russell/138/sec5/vow-ipa.gif

― Armando Grouse (Armando ), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Or, if you prefer:

The vowel sounds of American English
http://www.ic.arizona.edu/~lsp/IPA/VowelChartLF.gif

― Armando Grouse (Armando ), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Aha.

"whorrible" = "or"

"hawrible" = "arrrrr"*

*pirate

― JordanC (JordanC), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Because most times you encounter an O, it's going to be one of these three sounds:

bot
boat
bought

I'm suggesting (and this is what I think Webster's is doing) that the O in "bore" is not a unique sound -- it the "aw" of "bought" plus an R.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost Okay, Jordan, I was misunderstanding. The pirate sound is what all these East Coasters (Jenny, Jeff, Sarah, and Nick) say -- what I was previously writing as "hahrible" or "harrible."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Next time we hang out for a few beers, if I get buzzed enough I'll do the UP accent and BLOW YOUR MINDZ

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Right, so we're on the same page. That is what I do NOT say.

In Apocalypse Now, Brando says "the harrur", right?

― JordanC (JordanC), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

In keeping with Kevin's football coach quote, my hockey coach used to say things like "Ya gotta get da fuuck up dere on da wing and hit dem sissy faggots 'fore dey cross da line fer dachrissakes!"

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the first time I heard "harrible" and "harrur" was from my high-school drama teacher, who was from Pennsylvania.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

All I know is I went to college with someone from Philly who said "ahrange juice" and called me "Law-rel". I rhyme horrible with oar. Or whore. But not "hoor".

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

called me "Law-rel".

i'll just call you shirley.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Surely not.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

you'd prefer lavern perhaps?

or something without vowels maybe. lrl.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

How are "bot" and "bought" pronounced differently?

― nklshs (nklshs), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

boo-ought, i would guess.

― JuliaA (JuliaA), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

i was saying "boo-ought."

― hans moleman (otto midnight), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Depends on how much you flatten out the "o" in bot, I think. In mid-Michigan, it's more or less already "baht", so there's slightly more O-ish-ness in "bought". As in "bough", not that anyone ever says bough anymore.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha, Amanda's going to kill me, she keeps telling us we need to learn to use the alphabet indicators thingies, and I just described a sound as O-ish.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Sometimes it's what's called an "open o" as in the way that English people pronounce "bought", "caught", "ought" and BOT is pronounced either with an "ah" sound (represented by "a" in the bottom right of the "sounds of American English" diagram upthread. It's the difference between a sound that is tense (open o) and one that is lax ('ah').

The IPA can be used to describe any language, which is why it's handy when doing phonological transcriptions or interpreting phonological transcriptions of languages that we may or may not know. If you know the IPA and you see a transcription of a language you have no idea how to pronounce, it gives you everything you need to pronounce the word. It won't tell you what it means or how it's written (its orthography) but it will give you an idea of how to say it. You can also analyze patterns that way. It's also why it's futile to try to describe sounds as "flat" or "weak" or "wrong" or by using other vague/subjective adjectives. The IPA uses places and means of articulation to determine the differences between sounds.

― Armando Grouse (Armando ), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry about that.

― Armando Grouse (Armando ), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

FUCK!

So, today my old boss (who is way cool) and the two other guys I work directly with were going to go have lunch, bullshit, piss & moan, have a beer or two, etc. Well, today one of the higher-ups is in town, and co-opted our lunchtime. So, instead, we were going to lunch with my new boss, the higher-up, and a couple others. This option was slightly less appealing to me, but still, the prospect of a free lunch somewhere new was enticing.

So, I was sitting around waiting for a particularly nasty file to distill, and I heard people getting ready to go behind me. I figured they'd say "hey, let's go" when they were ready, and we'd go. Then I looked around and EVERYONE is gone. I got completely ditched! Now I don't have a clue what to do... I think I know where they went, but it's a ways away, I don't have my car, so I can't just go over there. What do I say when they get back? I'm fucking pissed about this.

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Open O is also slightly higher than 'ah'. This is also visible on the diagram, which represents the shape of your mouth. Roughly.

― Armando Grouse (Armando ), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

That sucks, Dan.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anyone have a cellphone? Could you call them and say WHY YOU DITCH ME?

― Armando Grouse (Armando ), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I assume they do, but I don't know any of their digits.

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait a second -- I'm not sure it's about tense and lax at all, but if there's something more tedious than discussing pronunciation on the internet, please don't tell me what it is. I don't wanna know.

How about them [sports team]?

― Armando Grouse (Armando ), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Boo Dan! That once happened here to another clerk and going to a hearing. The attorney asked her to go, the clerk said yes, and then a half hour later called her from the hearing asking where she was. The attorney had just left without getting the clerk or telling her she was leaving...

Bot = baht
Bought = bawt

I say ARRR-nge. I draw the line at Lawrel, although I could easily lapse into it.

― jenny (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.carpshop.com/images/Left%20Behind%20II.jpg

― jenny (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

oh yeah, i bought pretzels at jewel last night and learned two things: 1) they don't taste any better in the toaster oven than they do in the microwave and it's much faster to microwave them; and 2) the circuit in my kitchen can not handle me running both the microwave and toaster oven concurrently.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.lecybercactus.com/images/uploads/articles/28days.jpg

― jenny (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh Kirk Cameron, how low you have sunk. Did he have a meth problem?

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.eccentric-cinema.com/images2003/movie_pix_j-p/omega_man06.jpg

― jenny (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link

No, he has a Jesus problem.

― jenny (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link

http://thecia.com.au/reviews/o/images/open-water-1.jpg

― jenny (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Barack Obama keeps sending me emails telling me how many days it is until election day.

Dear Barack Obama,

I HAVE A CALENDAR.

--AK

― Armando Grouse (Armando ), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh yeah, I knew that, I just thought a meth problem could have led to the Jesus problem.

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Barak must read ILX, 'cause he keeps sending those messages to my yahoo spam address too.

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

http://leonardodavinci.csa.fi.it/studenti/altrimondi/film/img/et.jpg

― jenny (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

OK, that's the best one yet. Truly, I am E.T.

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I got two post cards from Todd Stroger yesterday.

― jenny (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

ET was really the grand finale. I can't think of anything else.

― jenny (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs4/300W/i/2004/232/e/2/the_abandoned__zombie_sketches.jpg

― JordanC (JordanC), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

There's a craigslist ad that says "we currently have 2 males and 2 females in the apartment and we want to keep a balance, so we're looking for a male roommte." THEN GET A DOG, YOU DUMB JERK.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

shouldn't they be looking for a hermaphrodite in that case? or is one of the males moving out?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

AH! Jordan has inspired me.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1401200761.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― jenny (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

And speaking of comics... They're making a movie from 30 Days of Night? That had better not suck or I will destroy a small Alaskan village out of revenge.

― jenny (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I still haven't read that.

― JordanC (JordanC), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

It's really good! And the art is super creepy. Although, I'm not sure if I finished the first series or not.

― jenny (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

turkey sub made me sleeeeeeeepy.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Laurel: we are currently scheduled for 7:45 on Friday, smack dab in the middle of the lineup. However, the band before us, I Need Sleep, is pretty awesome, so it might be worth trying to get there by 7, and then John's band is playing a couple of hours (?) later.

― nick a., Wednesday, 1 November 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

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