Dear ILE - a plea

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ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Aisla is a better name. Change your's to that.

White Collar Boxer (DomPassantino), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not changing to alisa, that's for sure:

watching alisa and kate fight makes me so hot

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I was *so* convinced that first ailsa post was Grimly Fiendish, and thought I'd missed him fighting with Kate.

stet (stet), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

not enough Viz-isms / references to kicking you in the knackers. I'm still taking it as a compliment. but I bet he won't.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 01:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Paris Hilton is a cancer, a pseudo-human, a vampiric monstrosity, an airwave-borne social disease destroying human decency

GZeus I kiss you.

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 15 February 2007 01:09 (seventeen years ago) link

oops, sorry ailsa (and of course you're 100% right in what you said)

the kwisatz bacharach (sanskrit), Thursday, 15 February 2007 01:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Nah, loads of people spell it wrong all the time. I was just being bad and ZINGING PEOPLE OH NOES BAN ME NOW I R A BULLY. (It was the more the mental image you conjured up than the misspelling)

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 01:13 (seventeen years ago) link

You don't like the way ILE is, ignore it, react against it

Hi Ailsa... OK will do.

KeefW (KeefW), Thursday, 15 February 2007 01:51 (seventeen years ago) link

"gosh, the words of a truly level-headed, rational and functional human being! i think you should go see someone about this, i can feel the twitching from here

-- lexpretend (lexusjee...), February 14th, 2007."
Hooray for avoiding the issue and taking my exaggerations(slight as they may have been) seriously(and somehow PERSONALLY) as you have.
Slight of hand in attempt at putting any annoyance on me.
How entertaining...oh wait, I mean boring.

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 03:53 (seventeen years ago) link

omg

ghkghkg (Pablo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 06:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Keef, I meant "do something positive to change it rather than snipping about how it's not like it was in the old days" - I didn't mean "hack in and get rid of your personal bugbear". I don't know what you mean, but it led me to reclarify, so all's well, eh?

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 08:07 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm pretty sure if you or someone else started a 'UK daytime idle chit-chat' thread that pretty much all of them would post on it. why wouldn't they?

I think you should.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 15 February 2007 08:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Hello. I’m just posting because someone upthread said this: “I'm still looking for a concrete example of how this behavior has affected someones willingness to post.”

And Stet said this: “Kinda tricky to prove a negative, innit.”

I discovered ilx after someone pointed me to a thread where something I had done happened to be mentioned (all good-natured, I was amused). I liked the place and starting posting a little tiny bit but stopped when I was living at a friend’s. Once I got an internet connection in my new house, I was really very reluctant to post because of the bad-naturedness of some of the threads and the general feeling that it might end up being unpleasant. I wasn’t necessarily intimidated (maybe a bit?) but I just thought: nope, that’s not the environment in which I want to discuss things.

It was a shame, because I liked reading some threads (and now and then still do), particularly after an interesting or important news story. It is difficult in real life to get access to people wanting to discuss the same things you do right there and then (and with the same wit and intelligence that some ilx posters do). I wanted to join the Isabel Allende thread, for example, for that reason.

As Ailsa said, if people don’t like the way things are, they can just go away and not post - which is what I did. I’m just saying this because someone was wondering whether willingness to post has been affected, and in my case I think maybe it was.

But then I’m posting this - so maybe that shows that really what I should do is just contribute and not pay any attention to the badbits. Cos clearly I think it’s a generally a decent place, worth the effort of Saying Something in an attempt to be constructive.

fwiw

zoe espera (zoe), Thursday, 15 February 2007 09:58 (seventeen years ago) link

What a long thread.

Whilst Ailsa is OTM about the current state of things; I don't have any desire to watch people being unpleasant to other people I think it is worth pointing out (given the increasing frequency of this sort of thread since "Has ILE gone down the dumper") that I do think something has been lost. I remember a thread a few years back about an ILE compilation album that went off co-operatively and without a hitch. Now I suspect it would be a mere five posts old before some goon posted "lolz people on internetz be making shit musics". I don't think that it matters that someone would, it's relatively easy to ignore: it's just a shame.

Re the balkanization of the boards, I don't think ILE should be treated as a sacred cow. I actively prefer I Love Cooking, in part because I actually get some response to posts, due to the pace being slower and more considered, same goes for I Love Books.

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:19 (seventeen years ago) link

don't have anything to post here

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:23 (seventeen years ago) link

"I actively prefer I Love Cooking, in part because I actually get some response to posts, due to the pace being slower and more considered, same goes for I Love Books."

Dunno about that -- I have good memories of the book threads, the film threads on here I always read. I'd say it would be great if ILB (as much as I like it and have no problems with) would simply move back here. Except of course you can get readers at these satellite boards that you don't get anywhere else.

This 'plea' at the beginning of this thread is the most pathetic load of shit I've read in a while. This thread getting 500+ messages is the 'problem'.

ILE will never be another sinister Barry. LEGO!!! xp

xyzzzz__ (xyzzzz__), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:32 (seventeen years ago) link

This 'plea' at the beginning of this thread is the most pathetic load of shit I've read in a while. This thread getting 500+ messages is the 'problem'.

Agree with the latter, think [mggmgh -mod edit]

It's Teatime in Buttercup Land (Maaarghk C), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:37 (seventeen years ago) link

well resisted

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't see why a plea for more civilized behaviour would be "pathetic". It may possibly be futile, but that's a different thing.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link

lolz @ "for the last year or so I have done my level best not to be a cunt on this board and I intend to keep it that way"

Or did I 'bully' you into it?

xyzzzz__ (xyzzzz__), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Uh you called a thread I started a pathetic piece of shit and I don't appreciate it. "lolz"

It's Teatime in Buttercup Land (Maaarghk C), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:54 (seventeen years ago) link

A thread I started BECAUSE I THINK ILX IS GOING DOWN THE SHITTER AND I DON'T WANT IT TO.

It's Teatime in Buttercup Land (Maaarghk C), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:56 (seventeen years ago) link

oh in that case

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess the trouble is that there was a time when ILE felt like sinister, julio (i'm guessing - I was never on sinister, obv). remember 2002, FAPs etc etc?

obviously that was never going to last forever - it's 5 years later and ILX is huge now. I think it is true that a lot of ILE has turned into a huge zing-fest, which is a bit if it makes people ignore the really good bits of ILX - eg for me the dance/jazz/experimental threads on ILM, the noise boards, and on the rare occasions I remember they exist the books and cookery boards (which I agree could easily be moved back to ILE - see eg the ILE pynchon thread).

i've just installed killfile, and I rather suspect that's going to improve ILE a lot for me. perhaps some other people here should try it too.

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Barrys back:D

Subtractive Synthesis (Subtractive Synthesis), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:58 (seventeen years ago) link

some x-posts

I was *so* convinced that first ailsa post was Grimly Fiendish

hey, so was i for the first couple of lines. i thought i must have got up in the middle of the night and done it. and started using capitals.

although then i started to disagree with bits of it and got confused.

there's absolutely nothing anyone can add at this stage that will act as a panacea for all ILX's perceived ills. but i do think this thread is fulfulling a useful purpose, insofar as it's allowing people to get shit off their chest in a marginally more constructive manner than usual. and mark's original comment is absolutely OTM: he's not trying to turn it into alt.hug, just pointing out that, you know, perhaps we shouldn't spend all our time jumping up and down and shouting at each other.

anyway. my thoughts. briefly.

1) things change. ILX has changed quite a bit since i started posting in late 2004. such is life, eh? as someone (dan, i think) said wisely upthread, nobody - not mods, not admins and certainly not thread-starters - can legislate for other people's behaviour. trying to impose rules of engagement is a complete waste of time.

similarly, any "balkanisation" or otherwise is just part of the process - like it or not, ILX is now much bigger than the sum of its parts, and is going to evolve in ways you might not like. tough.

it's an internet message board. lighten up, people.


2) sometimes people say twattish things. sometimes a couple of posters will get into a fight. jon's daft louis/google thread might have overstepped a mark, but why does the whole fucking board have to get involved? we have mods. they sorted it, quickly and efficiently. louis handled it all very well. end of story. move on, there's nothing to see.

it's an internet message board. lighten up, people.

3) sometimes threads go off at tangents. sometimes those tangents are irritating and silly and seem to be nothing but zings. sometimes that kills threads completely. sometimes it makes them brilliant.

it's an internet message board. lighten up, people.

4) the problem, if i may be so bold, isn't that people are getting "bullied". that's a hell of an emotive word to be throwing around. it's simply that there's been a bit of low-level sniping and zinginess and suddenly we're acting like it's armageddon. it's not.

it's an internet message board. lighten up, people.

5) like i said on another thread recently, when someone said: "people are being nasty and no-one's doing anything" - i am. i'm ignoring it. i'm glad so many others feel the same. if individual posters (louis, dog latin etc) think they're being hard done by, they should raise it with the mods. the rest of us should stop piling in and shouting FITE FITE FITE.

it's an internet message board. we all care about it too much. that's nice for us. now let's get some perspective, eh?

grimly fiendish (simon), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:11 (seventeen years ago) link

don't think I've ever seen the louis guy really claiming to feel hard done by and I don't think the dog latin guy had any grounds for feeling hard done by

but, yes, this is an internet message board. don't think we need say any more. unless says something that annoys us or we can make fun of

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

"it's an internet message board. lighten up, people."
I hate that attitude.
It's as though the people on the other end of messages aren't real, that falling out of touch in the eventual spread of people to other places as the suck rolls in is any different from losing touch with a long-time pen-pal.
People are real, what they say is real, so tell me: why shouldn't I care about people?

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:16 (seventeen years ago) link

it's like posting to brick wall

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't care about gzeus

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:20 (seventeen years ago) link

a clarification to my own post, which i think gets a bit wrapped up in its own argument.

- there's no point trying to lay down ground rules of behaviour and say: "if you post on ILX, you must act like this".

- there is every point in ignoring behaviour you don't like and not rising to it.

that's how i can be agreeing with mark's first post and then seemingly disagreeing within the space of a sentence. sorry, should have spent more time on it.

but then it's only an internet message board and ...

grimly fiendish (simon), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:21 (seventeen years ago) link

you are right!!

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Toby - Nor have I ever been on sinister, but that's the feeling I got from reading the first post on this thread.

I know that there was a good feeling about both ILM and ILE back then - but a large part of that ws in the discovery of this place, and then in looking back I always tend to remember the good bits mopre strongly. The board has over time developed as its grown in number, but like you I still get a good feeling out of some threads. I still feel that if I put some effort in it's possible to get some good convo, which is not very different from 2002, though it might be a diff kind of effort.

(I honestly can't remember how good it was to compare, just that it was very good.)

xyzzzz__ (xyzzzz__), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Sheesh people, 555 posts and all this was, was a plea to just try being nicer.

nathalie (stevienixed), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:26 (seventeen years ago) link

you are wrong!!

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Heh. Most probably.

nathalie (stevienixed), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Has anyone else had any problems loading this thread?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:30 (seventeen years ago) link

http://static.flickr.com/4/4834133_d23d6c8186.jpg

Ed (dali), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

"i don't care about gzeus

-- temporary enrique (miltonpinsk...), February 15th, 2007."
Um...you just proved otherwise in posting that...

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

mind blown

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Hope not.


oh, and I just tested. No problems loading.

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:33 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, julio, I agree. I certainly think I get as much out of ilm as I did then, for instance.

lots of good advise since my first post, from grimly in particular. thinking about it more, it's not 'bullying' which ever annoys me (i'm still not sure i've ever seen any of this, tbh), but the same lame jokes again and again (which i'm hopeful the killfile will sort).

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Sheesh people, 555 posts and all this was, was a plea to just try being nicer.

-- nathalie (wotwotwo...), February 15th, 2007. (later)

you are wrong!!

-- RJG (RJ...), February 15th, 2007. (later)

No, she's right. What did you think it was

It's Teatime in Buttercup Land (Maaarghk C), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Totally agree on the lame jokes front.
ILG in particular(which I posted on for a while because I had just gotten back into games after almost 10 years of apathy...then quit for the most part. ILG I mean, not games) is all about sarcasm, in-jokes, and being sardonic in general.
I don't see how any of that has a place in an open forum. It just leads to cliques instead of actual groups of friends.

"No, she's right. What did you think it was "
Did you take that seriously? It was just a perfect example of what's wrong with the boards currently, and should really just be ignored.
Sarcasm cannot be properly recognised over the internet. It's also rude by nature.
This is why I only use it in private.

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

The first post was that, the rest of it wasn't.

xpost

onimo (nu_onimo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

You only use sarcasm in private?

onimo (nu_onimo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Sarcasm cannot be properly recognised over the internet. It's also rude by nature.
This is why I only use it in private.

what a fascinating insight, i totally agree.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

do you think it's possible to make a plea to just try being nicer?

it wasn't 555 posts, either

crossposts

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost
Yeah, for the most part. I suppose 'private' isn't the best word.
'Among friends or in small groups' is better.
An open forum is no place for it, though.

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:45 (seventeen years ago) link


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