J.R. Smith has literally been shanghaied away for the foreshortened 2011-2012 NBA season: rolling ILH sandbox thread

Yes, this was offset with a monumental upgrade at point guard, but look at the big picture. Pau-for-Paul is pretty much an even swap.

luv hollinger but this is crazy talk

it boggles my mind that you think chandler is an all-star but Scola has no value.

the hornets were very clearly taking the nuggets road to success of putting guys together and seeing what happens

adding pau to the hornets doesn't do anything for them

very few people agree with you about that

― Matt Armstrong, Friday, December 9, 2011 4:11 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

hey most people still think kobes the best player in the nba

yeah I'm just saying don't hold out hope that guys like adande are gonna be the ones disagreeing with you

Scola is a really good player man. I disagree with you about Martin but at least I understand. But Scola is just obviously a good player.

it boggles my mind that you think chandler is an all-star but Scola has no value.

― Matt Armstrong, Friday, December 9, 2011 4:13 AM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

chandler is an all star, like he played on an all star team, i never said scola doesnt have value, i have been a long time scola supporter on this v message board as a matter of fact, its martin who i think sucks, but a 31 y/o journey man is not the guy a rebuilding team needs

hes just liek a solid dude aka inconsequential in a trade for a top 5 player

he's not a journeyman in any sense of the word.

hes like a journeyman+, hes not a game changer, he couldnt be the 3rd best player on a championship team, he could be prob the 5th best player on a championship team, i like him, he does his thing w/great aplomb, hes v crafty, chis paul is one of the great point gards to ever play the game

when did Chandler play on an all-star team?

answer: in high school

oops my bad i thought he did but he did not, anyway last year i wouldve picked him, hes one of the best defenders in the L!

07/08 he was sick in nola too!

i mean chris kaman made the team last year be serious!

and tim duncan

but w/e im going to bed, h8 u guys, welcome back nba xo

sorry if this has already been posted, but dan gilbert's email to david stern, urging him to block the lakers/CP3 trade, is priceless:

Commissioner,

It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.

This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.

Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.

I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).

I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.

I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.

When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?

Please advise….

Dan G.

with best personal regards, danny g.

according to a writer for hoopsworld who seems to know his shit, the trade was nullified through the commissioner's veto power, not through an ownership role. In order to prevent collusion a governor was appointed to approve all financials (Jac Sperling) and he did so.

https://twitter.com/#!/EricPincus/status/145081557122682880

hm. if that's the case, it is crazy. clearly, smaller-market owners (e.g., dan gilbert) were furious about the "competitive balance" issues in big-markets creating "superteams."

damn, shit went ham itt

hey while y'all wer arguing about the minutia of the Knicks pick, u completely ignored the fact that mr chuklebutt holds all the cards bc cp3 is a franchise player and unless u get one in return the trade sucks from a business perspective even if it wast horrible for basketball

owners are pissed bc they're tired of the cycle of lakers getting what they want bc they always have the pieces/resources to make it happen, trade nullification is a legit interest to the league and the hornets bc without a franchise face, they have no reason to exist (remember: only six people live in new Orleans now)

but the alternative to trading cp3 is him leaving in a year and the franchise being destroyed. This was a good deal for a guy who is definitely leaving you in a year.

I wonder how many of the traded players show up for training camp?

remember when they traded kwame brown for pau gasol

remember

LAMAR ODOM @RealLamarOdom

When a team trades u and it doesn't go down? Now what?

lol just when we thought we had it back the league is disintegrating before our eyes, where tf is diwght howard going, i fear what morning may bring

lol <3 u guys but you really should go to bed earlier

if we went to bed earlier, we would have missed the trade, the un-trade, the CP3 reaction, the gilbert email, the odom reaction, the . . .

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . . .

(yawn).

oh, morning. i had this bizzare dream where the heat signed eddy curry. lol.

I went to bed. It was nice. Though I'm sorry I missed the "mid-round/18-20/u suck at math" kerfuffle.

haha

practice down in el Segundo won’t be awkward at for the lakes

im sry i was clearly quite drunk, i went to bed three hours ago, just woke up thinking it was like noon and had to check back in, my god

it was a really terrible trade tho, dan gilbert otm re salaries even if he did use comic sans

it would be p funny if the lakers just ended up getting howard instead

it would be p funny if the lakers just ended up getting howard instead

not looking like they will . . .

Chris Sheridan @sheridanhoops -- Dwight Howard is reportedly going to ask for a trade to the Nets, unless things suddenly change. Which can happen.

lol

In light of the league's refusal to allow Chris Paul to dictate a trade to the Los Angeles Lakers, one has to wonder if it will sit idly by and let Howard facilitate a move to the Nets.

if the nba won't let a star player move to the NEW JERSEY NETS, who WILL they let him move to?

i sympathize w/players wanting to force trades to certain places and all but its really starting to be kinda a downer

good question

Ethan Skolnick @EthanJSkolnick -- If the half of the players who didn't bother to vote on the new CBA were given another chance to vote now, how would they vote?

theyd prob vote wtf is going on right now

this is crazy

lol who are the nets suposed to trade for howard

johnhollinger John Hollinger
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haha did hollinger just sort of make a successful funny, i cant even tell anymore

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One other thing about Gilbert letter: He doesn't appear to understand the difference between revenue sharing and the luxury tax.
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nullify all future trades, contract the hornets and magic after this season problem solved

haha, yes he did make a joke.

nets will trade lopez and other stuff for howard.

nullify all future trades, contract the hornets and magic after this season problem solved

― smh, Friday, December 9, 2011

add cavs and . . . hm.

nets will trade lopez and other stuff for howard.

― Daniel, Esq., Friday, December 9, 2011 9:04 AM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

now that would make the paul trade look quite reasonable in comparison

haha. yep. well, bear in mind that bynum is the only other player discussed as the "centerpiece" going to the magic in exchange for howard.

if healthy for the long-haul, i'd take bynum over lopez, but that's a big if.