I have a lot of things to say about PJ Ramos
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:08 (twelve years ago) link
ginobili was drafted w/the last pick of the second round iirc, lol still
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:08 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/kAs91.png
found a lil tell here, note the author
Hollinger thought the Lakers overpaid.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:09 (twelve years ago) link
i wouldve thought it was not the best but a reasonable trade if the 2nd best player had gone to nola, its houstons role thats really baffling
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:10 (twelve years ago) link
gasol is the only other player who has any value!
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:11 (twelve years ago) link
very few people agree with you about that
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:11 (twelve years ago) link
Scola has value man, come on.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:12 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, this was offset with a monumental upgrade at point guard, but look at the big picture. Pau-for-Paul is pretty much an even swap.
luv hollinger but this is crazy talk
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:13 (twelve years ago) link
it boggles my mind that you think chandler is an all-star but Scola has no value.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:13 (twelve years ago) link
the hornets were very clearly taking the nuggets road to success of putting guys together and seeing what happens
― v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:13 (twelve years ago) link
adding pau to the hornets doesn't do anything for them
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, December 9, 2011 4:11 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink
hey most people still think kobes the best player in the nba
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:14 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I'm just saying don't hold out hope that guys like adande are gonna be the ones disagreeing with you
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:14 (twelve years ago) link
Scola is a really good player man. I disagree with you about Martin but at least I understand. But Scola is just obviously a good player.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:15 (twelve years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, December 9, 2011 4:13 AM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink
chandler is an all star, like he played on an all star team, i never said scola doesnt have value, i have been a long time scola supporter on this v message board as a matter of fact, its martin who i think sucks, but a 31 y/o journey man is not the guy a rebuilding team needs
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:16 (twelve years ago) link
hes just liek a solid dude aka inconsequential in a trade for a top 5 player
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:17 (twelve years ago) link
he's not a journeyman in any sense of the word.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:18 (twelve years ago) link
hes like a journeyman+, hes not a game changer, he couldnt be the 3rd best player on a championship team, he could be prob the 5th best player on a championship team, i like him, he does his thing w/great aplomb, hes v crafty, chis paul is one of the great point gards to ever play the game
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:20 (twelve years ago) link
when did Chandler play on an all-star team?
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:21 (twelve years ago) link
answer: in high school
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:22 (twelve years ago) link
oops my bad i thought he did but he did not, anyway last year i wouldve picked him, hes one of the best defenders in the L!
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:23 (twelve years ago) link
07/08 he was sick in nola too!
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:24 (twelve years ago) link
i mean chris kaman made the team last year be serious!
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:26 (twelve years ago) link
and tim duncan
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:27 (twelve years ago) link
but w/e im going to bed, h8 u guys, welcome back nba xo
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 09:28 (twelve years ago) link
sorry if this has already been posted, but dan gilbert's email to david stern, urging him to block the lakers/CP3 trade, is priceless:
Commissioner,It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?Please advise….Dan G.
It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.
This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.
Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.
I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).
I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.
I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?
Please advise….
Dan G.
with best personal regards, danny g.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 12:10 (twelve years ago) link
according to a writer for hoopsworld who seems to know his shit, the trade was nullified through the commissioner's veto power, not through an ownership role. In order to prevent collusion a governor was appointed to approve all financials (Jac Sperling) and he did so.
https://twitter.com/#!/EricPincus/status/145081557122682880
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 12:12 (twelve years ago) link
hm. if that's the case, it is crazy. clearly, smaller-market owners (e.g., dan gilbert) were furious about the "competitive balance" issues in big-markets creating "superteams."
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 12:14 (twelve years ago) link
damn, shit went ham itt
― dayo, Friday, 9 December 2011 12:17 (twelve years ago) link
hey while y'all wer arguing about the minutia of the Knicks pick, u completely ignored the fact that mr chuklebutt holds all the cards bc cp3 is a franchise player and unless u get one in return the trade sucks from a business perspective even if it wast horrible for basketball
owners are pissed bc they're tired of the cycle of lakers getting what they want bc they always have the pieces/resources to make it happen, trade nullification is a legit interest to the league and the hornets bc without a franchise face, they have no reason to exist (remember: only six people live in new Orleans now)
― q: are we not bel biv men? a: we are bel biv devo (m bison), Friday, 9 December 2011 12:19 (twelve years ago) link
but the alternative to trading cp3 is him leaving in a year and the franchise being destroyed. This was a good deal for a guy who is definitely leaving you in a year.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 12:21 (twelve years ago) link
I wonder how many of the traded players show up for training camp?
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 12:23 (twelve years ago) link
remember when they traded kwame brown for pau gasol
remember
― dayo, Friday, 9 December 2011 12:28 (twelve years ago) link
LAMAR ODOM @RealLamarOdom
When a team trades u and it doesn't go down? Now what?
― Carnitas, Friday, 9 December 2011 12:57 (twelve years ago) link
lol just when we thought we had it back the league is disintegrating before our eyes, where tf is diwght howard going, i fear what morning may bring
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 13:25 (twelve years ago) link
lol <3 u guys but you really should go to bed earlier
― cad, Friday, 9 December 2011 13:27 (twelve years ago) link
if we went to bed earlier, we would have missed the trade, the un-trade, the CP3 reaction, the gilbert email, the odom reaction, the . . .
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . . .
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 13:29 (twelve years ago) link
(yawn).
oh, morning. i had this bizzare dream where the heat signed eddy curry. lol.
I went to bed. It was nice. Though I'm sorry I missed the "mid-round/18-20/u suck at math" kerfuffle.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 9 December 2011 13:31 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― Carnitas, Friday, 9 December 2011 13:32 (twelve years ago) link
practice down in el Segundo won’t be awkward at for the lakes
― Carnitas, Friday, 9 December 2011 13:33 (twelve years ago) link
im sry i was clearly quite drunk, i went to bed three hours ago, just woke up thinking it was like noon and had to check back in, my god
it was a really terrible trade tho, dan gilbert otm re salaries even if he did use comic sans
it would be p funny if the lakers just ended up getting howard instead
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 13:35 (twelve years ago) link
not looking like they will . . .
Chris Sheridan @sheridanhoops -- Dwight Howard is reportedly going to ask for a trade to the Nets, unless things suddenly change. Which can happen.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 13:43 (twelve years ago) link
lol
In light of the league's refusal to allow Chris Paul to dictate a trade to the Los Angeles Lakers, one has to wonder if it will sit idly by and let Howard facilitate a move to the Nets.
if the nba won't let a star player move to the NEW JERSEY NETS, who WILL they let him move to?
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 13:44 (twelve years ago) link
i sympathize w/players wanting to force trades to certain places and all but its really starting to be kinda a downer
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 13:47 (twelve years ago) link
good question
Ethan Skolnick @EthanJSkolnick -- If the half of the players who didn't bother to vote on the new CBA were given another chance to vote now, how would they vote?
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 13:58 (twelve years ago) link
theyd prob vote wtf is going on right now
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 13:59 (twelve years ago) link
this is crazy
― smh, Friday, 9 December 2011 14:00 (twelve years ago) link
lol who are the nets suposed to trade for howard
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 9 December 2011 14:01 (twelve years ago) link