J.R. Smith has literally been shanghaied away for the foreshortened 2011-2012 NBA season: rolling ILH sandbox thread

danilo, mozgov, felton, chandler > odom, scola, martin?

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― Matt Armstrong, Friday, December 9, 2011 3:30 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

yes, you need to take age in to consideration, nolas rebuilding, they dont need old guys, as we discussed paul is much much better than melo - also martin legit sucks, possibly the worst defender in the league

i mean look you aren't getting even value back for paul. or anything close to it. i respect demps' desire to get rid of paul before the season so the team can just move on. the package he got was pretty good, it could've even competed for an 8 seed depending on who else they signed.

even without injuries I expect their pick to be around 17 or 18 which will be nice value in this drat.

― Matt Armstrong, Friday, December 9, 2011 3:35 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

it was prob gonna be a mid round pick, you can get a decent player. it's a decently valuable asset.

― v-shasty, Friday, December 9, 2011 3:37 AM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

i suggest you guys peruse some past drafts and calculate how many irl players come out of the last third or even half of the 1st round, more busts than keepers, all stars few and far between

i mean look you aren't getting even value back for paul. or anything close to it. i respect demps' desire to get rid of paul before the season so the team can just move on. the package he got was pretty good, it could've even competed for an 8 seed depending on who else they signed.

― v-shasty, Friday, December 9, 2011 3:38 AM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

rondo for paul straight up is better than this deal, and thats not a good deal

i respect demps' desire to get rid of paul before the season so the team can just move on.

remember what happened to denver after melo left? they basically didn't lose for the rest of the year. getting rid of the soap opera that will be chris paul's season on the hornets, especially now, would be smart. too bad stern won't let them do that!

even without injuries I expect their pick to be around 17 or 18 which will be nice value in this drat.

― Matt Armstrong, Friday, December 9, 2011 3:35 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

it was prob gonna be a mid round pick, you can get a decent player. it's a decently valuable asset.

― v-shasty, Friday, December 9, 2011 3:37 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

you guys are horrible at math

remember what happened to denver after melo left? they basically didn't lose for the rest of the year. getting rid of the soap opera that will be chris paul's season on the hornets, especially now, would be smart. too bad stern won't let them do that!

― clay, Friday, December 9, 2011 3:40 AM (7 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

totally its all a big narrative, doesnt matter if you end up w/the worst team in the nba

you could make the argument for rondo, sure -- i think you could also easily make the argument that for as good as rondo is, he's very much a product of a team that has a bunch of lights out shooters and he wouldn't be that amazing on a bunch of other teams.

I met gasol once at a restaurant

even without injuries I expect their pick to be around 17 or 18 which will be nice value in this drat.

― Matt Armstrong, Friday, December 9, 2011 3:35 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

it was prob gonna be a mid round pick, you can get a decent player. it's a decently valuable asset.

― v-shasty, Friday, December 9, 2011 3:37 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

you guys are horrible at math

― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, December 9, 2011 2:40 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

No, we think the Knicks will be a 5-8th seed in the East and thus it will be a mid-roundish pick.

look at the knicks record after they got amere and melo, now add another allstar, ffs

wait, the knicks got another all star

LOL Chandler the allstar

chandler is legit!

you could make the argument for rondo, sure -- i think you could also easily make the argument that for as good as rondo is, he's very much a product of a team that has a bunch of lights out shooters and he wouldn't be that amazing on a bunch of other teams.

― v-shasty, Friday, December 9, 2011 3:41 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

rondo is not a good deal, the hornets can do better, hold on to paul until the trade deadline, omg not media scrutiny what will we do!

Did you mean Mcdonald's all-american?

i really don't think holding on until the trade deadline would do anything

rondo as the #1 guy on a team w/ no real support would be nuts i'd like to see that

seriously the knicks might as good as the pacers this year

i really don't think holding on until the trade deadline would do anything

― v-shasty, Friday, December 9, 2011 3:45 AM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

this is historically when the best deals happen, that been a known thing in the nba until having a media fire storm turned it the worst thing ever for w/e reason

kevin martin's 24 ppg: literally shit
tyson chandlers 10 pts, 9 rpg: all-star caliber.

the knicks would have the worst staring back court in the nba, not even a question

toney douglas
landry fields
carmelo anthony
amare stoudemire
tyson chandler

^this team is worse than the hawks

kevin martin's 24 ppg: literally shit
tyson chandlers 10 pts, 9 rpg: all-star caliber.

― Matt Armstrong, Friday, December 9, 2011 3:46 AM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

hey nice stats you obvs understand basketball v well!

toney douglas
landry fields
carmelo anthony
amare stoudemire
tyson chandler

^this team is worse than the hawks

― v-shasty, Friday, December 9, 2011 3:47 AM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

sooo a 5th seed

^with one injury, this team is potentially worse than the sixers

20th draft pick

with one injury, this team is potentially worse than the sixers

― v-shasty, Friday, December 9, 2011 3:48 AM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

this can be said abt every team in the league and you know it

kevin martin was top 20 in the league in PER, i had no idea

the knicks are a legit playoff team, if they have injury problems they are not, like the other playoff teams

20th draft pick

― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, December 9, 2011 2:48 AM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

dude wtf.

this can be said abt every team in the league and you know it

― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, December 9, 2011 2:49 AM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark

heat, celtics, bulls, hawks could all have an injury to one of their top 2 players and easily beat out the sixers

kevin martin is widely known as the worst defender in the nba

it could be as low as 18th if they're the 5th seed.

5+5=10

20-18=2

8+4=12

if the 8 western playoff teams had better records they would pick 18th.

omg its could be anywhere between 18 and 20! what a magnificent draft pick! i bet a lot of great players have been taken there!

why dont u do some research as far as the quality of those spots!

dude you're the one who brought up math and then couldn't add.

here's what could easily happen to the knicks this year -- howard gets his trade to the nets, amar'e has to miss 20 games, the pacers make good on their free agent signings and jump up two spots, and the sixers stay the same from last year

hmm what does that look like?

1 heat
2 bulls
3 celtics
4 nets
5 hawks
6 pacers
7 sixers
8 knicks

it could be 18 it could be 20 do you see

no you said that 5th seed in east = 20th.

honestly you can get pretty good players in that range

you mocked me for saying they could pick 18th, then said they'd be the 5th pick in the east.... which could be 18th.

yes i totally make trades based on what could be the best possible circumstances, hey maybe kevin martin will learn how to rebound pass and defend, think abt this what if this happened

1 knicks
2 bulls
3 celtics
4 nets
5 hawks
6 pacers
7 sixers
8 heat

now what

you mocked me for saying they could pick 18th, then said they'd be the 5th pick in the east.... which could be 18th.

― Matt Armstrong, Friday, December 9, 2011 3:55 AM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

5th in the east could be the 20th pick, it could also be the 18th pick, they both suck

but you said that me saying they'd pick 17th or 18th showed I "couldn't do math." and then you put them right in that range!

eric bledsoe, ty lawson, javale mcgee, jj hickson, roy hibbert, nick young, sean williams, rajon rondo, danny granger, hakeem warrick, josh smith, j.r. smith, jameer nelson

i mean these range from stars to very solid role players