J.R. Smith has literally been shanghaied away for the foreshortened 2011-2012 NBA season: rolling ILH sandbox thread

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there was a lot of small-market owner anger at big-market teams.

the labor-dispute was largely owner v. owner.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:43 (twelve years ago) link

the labor-dispute was largely owner v. owner.

this is totally true and never really got enough coverage.

clay, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:44 (twelve years ago) link

this wasn't about optics or owners being concerned about the league's image -- it was about butthurt owners

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:45 (twelve years ago) link

butthurt small-market team owners. micky arison didn't do this.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:46 (twelve years ago) link

RT @MickyArison Whatever happens with @CP3 all I can say is I wish him the the best.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:47 (twelve years ago) link

oh god, daniel. don't just assume that bcuz micky arison amassed the big 3 that he was just totally cool w/ the lakers starting to assemble a super team to rival the heat.

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:48 (twelve years ago) link

RicBucher Ric Bucher
Reports are owners squashed Hou-LA-NO deal, citing conflict of interest for NBA-owned NO. But sources say Pau didn't want to go to Hou, too.

yeah, no shit

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:49 (twelve years ago) link

David Stern steps in to protect the fragile pride of Pau Gasol

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:49 (twelve years ago) link

what's the evidence you have for thinking arison's trying to pull the ladder out now that he's climbed up into the treehouse of NBA powerhouses?

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:50 (twelve years ago) link

maybe if the league wanted to restrict player movement they shouldn't have asked for the players to give them 3 billion dollars.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:50 (twelve years ago) link

what's the evidence you have that he didn't? a tweet at chris paul? the guy is a CEO, he knows how to put on a good face.

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:51 (twelve years ago) link

sorry that sounded overly harsh. arison's comments -- during the lockout and now -- suggest to me he's not afraid of competiton or player movement or other teams ascending. maybe i'm wrong. we're all just reading tea leaves about individual owner's motives.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:51 (twelve years ago) link

it's in arison's interest to be pro-player. he'll be able to spend a lot of money to create a new team if and when the Big 3 move on, retire, get injured, etc. that's a business-savvy perspective that a good CEO might take, as well.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:52 (twelve years ago) link

i highly doubt that he tried to step in and defend the rights of jerry buss and the lakers to come for a crown that the heat desperately need

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:52 (twelve years ago) link

like mccain said when the GOP was proposing to kill the fillibuster in, say, 2003: "i'd like this idea more if i thought we'd always be in the majority."

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:53 (twelve years ago) link

yeah but this move will have no precedent unless he's planning on trading for a hornet while the team is owned by the nba

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:53 (twelve years ago) link

rescind the wilt chamberlain trade!

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:55 (twelve years ago) link

pretty fucking shameful that ESPN doesn't acknowledge Woj for breaking the story.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:57 (twelve years ago) link

everyone carry on

NBA spox Mike Bass: "It's not true that owners killed the deal. The League office declined ... for basketball reasons."

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:59 (twelve years ago) link

i think it's actually unspoken espn policy to never credit yahoo

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:59 (twelve years ago) link

unless it's something completely unavoidable, like hurricanes scandal

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:00 (twelve years ago) link

"basketball reasons"

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:00 (twelve years ago) link

hooooly shit @ tonight

jordan otm throughout

k3vin k., Friday, 9 December 2011 03:01 (twelve years ago) link

For Basketball Reasons

clay, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:01 (twelve years ago) link

xp chuch

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:02 (twelve years ago) link

chris paul, i think, could and maybe even should sue the league

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:05 (twelve years ago) link

jerry buss wouldn't really be able to sue for anything, unless they ginned up some number to represent the estimated revenue that chris paul would've made the team, which considering the team involved, is prob pretty minimal

paul on the other hand via the cba is actually being forced out of money against his will by the nba, and that's something he could reasonably pursue

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:06 (twelve years ago) link

ppl are talking about that on twitter - idk what kind of grounds he'd have to do that but i'd lol xp

k3vin k., Friday, 9 December 2011 03:07 (twelve years ago) link

and it's a clear, precise number already in a contract

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:07 (twelve years ago) link

it would be tough, i mean they would have to depose every owner in the nba -- but it's something worth pursuing if he eventually doesn't get dealt

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:07 (twelve years ago) link

how would that work, paul agreed to the cba

and stern has the right to veto any trade, "for best interests of the game"

k3vin k., Friday, 9 December 2011 03:08 (twelve years ago) link

and it's a clear, precise number already in a contract

― v-shasty, Thursday, December 8, 2011 10:07 PM (1 minute ago)

wait what is this referring to?

k3vin k., Friday, 9 December 2011 03:09 (twelve years ago) link

that max free agent deals are capped at a lower number than deals signed by returning players

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:10 (twelve years ago) link

my point is that chris paul could point at the CBA and say "this collusion cost me x amount of dollars" whereas the lakers would have a much less tenuous position. they couldn't sue for the rights to chris paul, i don't think...

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:10 (twelve years ago) link

I would demand compensatory picks, but I doubt that's enforceable by a court.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:12 (twelve years ago) link

right

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:13 (twelve years ago) link

he should just sue out of spite. Fuck these guys.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:15 (twelve years ago) link

feel like the nba might actually relent if cp pushes this hard enough

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Our own @Chris_Broussard on SportsCenter: Chris Paul fuming and exploring legal options w/NBPA director Billy Hunter to fight blocked deal

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:17 (twelve years ago) link

this is all completely so psychotic

rooting for cp3 and all but man the nba just can't help but shoot itself in the foot

clay, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:20 (twelve years ago) link

if the owners thought this would make them look good they're either incredibly stupid or lying through their teeth

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:21 (twelve years ago) link

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
(More) "In the end, David didn’t like that the players were dictating where they wanted to go," source says.

k3vin k., Friday, 9 December 2011 03:23 (twelve years ago) link

hey, fuck you david!

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:23 (twelve years ago) link

adbrandt Andrew Brandt
The NBA just sent Kris Humphries back to Kim Kardashian.
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k3vin k., Friday, 9 December 2011 03:24 (twelve years ago) link

what's so fucking stupid is that Paul will become a free agent.... and dictate where he wants to go.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:25 (twelve years ago) link

"In the end, the players didn’t like that the david stern was dictating where they would go,"

clay, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:25 (twelve years ago) link

i mean the bottom line is with this deal the lakers moved laterally, the hornets (or whatever they'll be called) were set up to rebuild better than they would have been w/ cp3 becoming a free agent, and the rockets probably improved. and the nba vetoed it

k3vin k., Friday, 9 December 2011 03:27 (twelve years ago) link

lol the big blazers blog has this poll running:

Should the NBA have stepped in and vetoed the proposed trade sending Chris Paul to the Lakers?
48%
Yes
138 votes
48%
No
137 votes
2%
Other (explain in the comments)
7 votes
short-sighted blazers fans just mostly like to see the lakers "punished: i'm assuming.

clay, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:27 (twelve years ago) link

basically 48% thought it was good for the lakers, 48% bad for the lakers.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:45 (twelve years ago) link

@CP3
Chris Paul WoW
1 hour ago via UberSocial for BlackBerry

k3vin k., Friday, 9 December 2011 03:54 (twelve years ago) link

The developments were "unbelievable," said another team executive, given that the league-owned Hornets had been allowed to conduct basketball business without interference from the league office since the other 29 owners assumed temporary ownership of the woebegone franchise in December 2010. Also, the league office technically was not supposed to be open to evaluate, approve or disapprove trades until Friday.
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/33759917

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 04:05 (twelve years ago) link


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