J.R. Smith has literally been shanghaied away for the foreshortened 2011-2012 NBA season: rolling ILH sandbox thread

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well, on the bright side, the LAL now have the assets to trade for dwight howard!

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link

can you imagine what would have happened if the NFL had done this to Al Davis

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link

lol... so was this like the 28 other owners collectively saying f u jerry buss?

OOOO, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:13 (twelve years ago) link

it's a love letter, of sorts.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:13 (twelve years ago) link

owners' motives are what i thought:

Adrian Wojnarowski -- The NBA has caved to pressure from owners that the appearance of this deal, on heels of lockout, had to be stopped, sources tell Y! Sports.

(not hard to dicipher, admittedly)

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:15 (twelve years ago) link

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA -- "The deal is off," a source involved in the talks tells Y! Sports. "It's dead."

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:16 (twelve years ago) link

well at least the Rockets were saved from themselves (their owner?)

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:16 (twelve years ago) link

What is going on?

Carnitas, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:17 (twelve years ago) link

Adrian Wojnarowski -- The NBA has caved to pressure from owners that the appearance of this deal, on heels of lockout, had to be stopped, sources tell Y! Sports.

i think this is an excuse by the owners for just feeling super butthurt about the lakers getting chris paul

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link

Fuckin little bitches

Carnitas, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link

johnhollinger John Hollinger
This is nuts. This was a *BAD* trade by the Lakers, but other owners so jealous of their shiny object they blocked it anyway.

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link

how about the appearance of Chris Paul sleepwalking through a season in NO and then leaving them for nothing? That's a better look?

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link

how could dell demps even keep that job? he has, what, 30 bosses?

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:21 (twelve years ago) link

demps quitting tomorrow would be a gangsta move

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:22 (twelve years ago) link

it's a great day to be dwight howard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2y1blI9sAc

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:23 (twelve years ago) link

yeah if this results in LAL getting howard it'll be even more ridiculous. how the fuck do these morons become billionaires in the first place with foresight like this?

~occubarn~ (clay), Friday, 9 December 2011 02:25 (twelve years ago) link

think he might be going overboard here but

johnhollinger John Hollinger
Lakers would have had no bench, no frontcourt, and virtually no chance at Dwight Howard. Houston, if Nene came, was potential top seed.

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:26 (twelve years ago) link

man i go to a lil wine tasting and come back to this what a day

cad, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:26 (twelve years ago) link

loool if lakers get d-ho

dayo, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:26 (twelve years ago) link

dhoshea

dayo, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:27 (twelve years ago) link

if the lakers get howard now stern should be fired

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:28 (twelve years ago) link

i mean he should be fired anyway but

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:28 (twelve years ago) link

is hollinger just pulling that Nene commitment out of his ass? Cuz I'm inclined to assume so.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:28 (twelve years ago) link

houston woulv have had a ton of cap space had this deal gone down and pau been flipped to the rockets

~occubarn~ (clay), Friday, 9 December 2011 02:29 (twelve years ago) link

*would've

~occubarn~ (clay), Friday, 9 December 2011 02:29 (twelve years ago) link

why would Stern allow a similar deal for Howard to the Lakers now? It would be clear then that the league was just burning the Hornets franchise to the ground.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:30 (twelve years ago) link

comments my wife just made about various NBA stars:

  • dwight howard: "oooh, he's cute."
  • d-rose: "he looks like dwight howard, but not as cute."
  • lebron james: "he used to be cute. does he have tattoos?"
  • dwyane wade: "he's short, isn't he?"
  • chris bosh: "tall, looks like he has a shrunken head."
  • pat riley: "oooooh, i like him. is he married?"
that is all.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:31 (twelve years ago) link

the wouldn't block a howard deal

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:31 (twelve years ago) link

well the league can't be accused of tampering in a deal like that. the hornets/lakers deal had bad optics since the league essentially runs NO.

~occubarn~ (clay), Friday, 9 December 2011 02:31 (twelve years ago) link

stern has no ability to kill a howard to lakers trade. the NBA doesn't own either of those teams.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:31 (twelve years ago) link

they could do this in a snap bcuz they have control of the hornets -- they wouldn't set a precedent of vetoing trades b/w two third parties

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:31 (twelve years ago) link

(i guess they could kill a howard-to-LAL deal if it was the product of tampering or a violation of league rules, but that isn't what happened here, either.)

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:32 (twelve years ago) link

i think the nene thing was the rockets' plan

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:33 (twelve years ago) link

I was under the impression that this trade was "nullified," i.e. it was done under the commissioner's prerogative to approve or not approve any trade.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:33 (twelve years ago) link

or at least grabbing a for real center

not sure where he gets a potential top seed out of that backcourt tho

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:33 (twelve years ago) link

I'm happy to announce that the NBA has sold the hornets to me, for $1, so that this deal can go through - I'm going on record as saying that I don't object at all to this trade. happy basketball y'all

dayo, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:33 (twelve years ago) link

fyi, jho has the authority to kill any deal involving howard if he feels it is unjust

~occubarn~ (clay), Friday, 9 December 2011 02:33 (twelve years ago) link

I was under the impression that this trade was "nullified," i.e. it was done under the commissioner's prerogative to approve or not approve any trade.

― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, December 8, 2011 8:33 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark

no, stern as the 'owner' of the team, killed the trade like any owner could

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:34 (twelve years ago) link

another horrible thing: they just lowered the franchise value of the hornets!

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:34 (twelve years ago) link

this is just utter insanity

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:35 (twelve years ago) link

but Stern should not be able to nullify a trade in his capacity as "owner," right? Because obviously as "owner" he would like the deal!

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:36 (twelve years ago) link

like I said: Buss should sue.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:36 (twelve years ago) link

matt, it's just the optics of the thing mostly. the other owners don't want the nba making deals regarding superstars going to very visible teams right on the heels of a lockout that, theoretically, was supposed to help small market teams and keep stars from bolting whenever they felt like it.

~occubarn~ (clay), Friday, 9 December 2011 02:37 (twelve years ago) link

but Stern should not be able to nullify a trade in his capacity as "owner," right? Because obviously as "owner" he would like the deal!

― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, December 8, 2011 8:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

yeah but he doesn't have to have a good reason to stop his GM from trading one of his players

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:38 (twelve years ago) link

owners don't consult with other owners about how their trade has hurt their feewwwwings. Which is why the Lakers should sue.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:41 (twelve years ago) link

and can the owners possibly be so dumb as to buy their own BS about the reasons for the lockout? It was always about the revenue split and contract lengths.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:42 (twelve years ago) link

there was a lot of small-market owner anger at big-market teams.

the labor-dispute was largely owner v. owner.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:43 (twelve years ago) link

the labor-dispute was largely owner v. owner.

this is totally true and never really got enough coverage.

clay, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:44 (twelve years ago) link

this wasn't about optics or owners being concerned about the league's image -- it was about butthurt owners

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:45 (twelve years ago) link

butthurt small-market team owners. micky arison didn't do this.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 02:46 (twelve years ago) link


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