THE 2011 ILM SUPER-MEGA YEAR-END ALBUMS 'N' TRACKS POLL™ is open for nominations!

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If this is the Opal you meant then I think rev's point about market share is even more valid. Also, talking about originality and names in a Jamaican context is different than in other places. Ninjaman gets big, so you get Ninja Kid and Ninja Ford. Horace Hinds changed his name to Horace Andy because Bob Andy was popular; etc. It would be going well against the grain to worry about sharing a name with a late 80s psych band.

going by the arguments i've seen on luciano's last.fm page (among many others) i'd say the fans, at least, definitely mind, on all sides

that page is interesting--I wonder if last.fm will pretty much force this kind of change to happen

google will! i love last.fm but i'm not sure it'll ever really have the necessary sway for that. you have many situations where there are multiple artists with the same name, but if they're all confined to different locations (karizma and kingdom spring to mind) i doubt it bothers them...

Tracks

Au/Palais - Tender Mercy
Other Lives - For 12
Wilco - One Sunday Morning (Song For Jane Smiley's Boyfriend)
Jay-Z and Kanye West - Niggas In Paris
Purity Ring - Ungirthed
Toro Y Moi - Still Sound
Lana Del Rey - Blue Jeans
Girls - My Ma
Rihanna - Talk That Talk
Peter Murphy - The Prince and Old Lady Shade

10/25

Eleanor Friedberger - My Mistakes

This was already nominated.

― o. nate

Well in that case, exchange for:

Foster the People - Pumped Up Kicks

Bwahahaha.

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RIP sandbox

ALBUMS
Container - LP
Björk - Biophilia
Fen - Epoch
Thurston Moore - Demolished Thoughts

TRACKS
Addison Groove - This Is It
Andre Lodemann - Riven Reminiscences
Arkist - Rendezvous
Burial - Street Halo
Dexter - Great Northern Diver
Estelle feat. Rick Ross - Break My Heart
Fat Pimp - Chevys & Polos
Floating Points - Sais (Dub)
Guided By Voices - The Unsinkable Fats Domino
Hype Williams - Rise Up
Ill Blu - Meltdown
Machinedrum - Sacred Frequency
Morgan Zarate - Hookid
Ngzungzu - Timesup
Ossie - Tarantula
Peverelist - Dance Til The Police Come
Schoolboy Q feat. Jhene Aiko - Fantasy
Teeth - Shawty
Thurston Moore - Benediction
Vessel - Nylon Sunset
Vybz Kartel - Coloring Book
XXXY - You Always Start It

25/25

"Street Halo" has already been nominated.

Beach Fossils - Distance
Chris Brown - Beautiful People
Down with Webster - Big Wheels
Dum Dum Girls - He Gets Me High
Katy Perry - Firework
Rihanna - Cheers (Drink to That)
Rye Rye & Robyn - Never Will Be Mine
Wire - Moreover
Seapony - Dreaming
John Cale - Whaddya Mean by That?
Wussy - Little Miami

if we're all going to be nominating rihanna songs can somebody at least pick "do ya thang"

Rihanna - Do Ya Thang

you're the shit yeah baby you're the bomb!

Most of the stuff i'll be voting for has been nominated anyway and i do like that track

I think people have the right to perform under their given names whether they share it with some metal band or whatever.

― furnace mane, Thursday, December 8, 2011 7:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Permalink

a) Tell this to actors. Really, you are not aware of the fact that it is almost impossible to make a case for performing under your given name if there is a previously existing member of Equity who uses it?

b) I have no idea why you associate me with metal bands. That's a bit weird.

c) On the other hand, this is more acceptable of an answer:

Not really sure internet penetration in Jamaica is that great (a quick google search says not really, no), esp. among the poor, but OK.

There is a casual assumption that *everyone* has the internet now, and yes, it's fair enough that you challenge that.

talking about originality and names in a Jamaican context is different than in other places. Ninjaman gets big, so you get Ninja Kid and Ninja Ford. Horace Hinds changed his name to Horace Andy because Bob Andy was popular; etc. It would be going well against the grain to worry about sharing a name with a late 80s psych band.

― rob (night house), Thursday, December 8, 2011 9:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Permalink

Okay, I'm not au fait enough with the artists to be entirely sure what point you're making, so if I'm misunderstanding you feel free to correct me. But, on a surface level, you seem to be equating making a name in tribute to another act with taking the name of another act entirely. Which is so different as to be ridiculous that you'd even suggest that they were the same. It's perfectly reasonably to call yourselves a pun, a tribute, a nod or whatever, as long as the name itself is different.

As in, there is no way that 'Horace Andy' and 'Bob Andy' are the same. How do you make that distinction between 'Opal' and 'Opal'?

There are loads of examples of bands accidentally taking on the same names as other bands, Nirvana being perhaps the most prominent example. When I was scanning around for more music by Sully, I ended up coming across a Canadian indie band, an Irish producer and ended up buying something off Boomkat I'm pretty sure is by none of those three artists.

Yeah, and you know what? One of my bands googled, we found an obscure defunct band had already taken the name we were going to use, and WE CHANGED IT. Because we weren't a bunch of dicks.

btw, my #1 album is by the 18,000th group named King.

As I say, rev, I think your point about internet penetration stands, and I fully cop to that assumption, but your other points I disagree with.

Yeah, I think are main disagreement is over whether this even slightly matters.

brb getting started on my new side project called the Beatles

Okay, I'm not au fait enough with the artists to be entirely sure what point you're making, so if I'm misunderstanding you feel free to correct me. But, on a surface level, you seem to be equating making a name in tribute to another act with taking the name of another act entirely. Which is so different as to be ridiculous that you'd even suggest that they were the same. It's perfectly reasonably to call yourselves a pun, a tribute, a nod or whatever, as long as the name itself is different.

They're not really done in tribute to the established artists, they're essentially done so the new artist can jump on the bandwagon of the bigger artist's popularity. Like if in the late 50s a new rock singer had come out named Elvis Peterson and no one batted an eye. But yes, you're right, those examples are not the same as Opal not checking for the existence of a band called Opal.

This is a big generalization, but my point was that in Jamaican music culture there is much less of a perceived ethical harm in copying--there, I believe, this wouldn't be seen as a dickish thing to do. OTOH since the band Opal have been defunct for two decades, I'm not sure what the harm is anyway? You make a good point about actors and Equity, but I see lots of (I) and (II)s behind actors' names on the imdb all the time.

Anyone want to nominate the Zombi album? I only have two noms left, need to save them for a while.

― thread of missing brony (sean doily), Thursday, December 8, 2011 3:50 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

i say this every year, but seriously: if you want something nominated, you should do it yourself. and if you won't or haven't for some reason, and noone else does, then it probably wasn't going to get votes anyway, so either way there's no point in asking someone else to nominate something.

Matt DC i'm lovin your trax on spotify right now, too bad I won't make it through the next 17 hours of this playlist tonight.

TRACKS

E-40 feat. T-Pain - Serious
Dubb-20 feat. Mistah FAB and The Jacka - All I Know
Mob Figaz - Loyal to the Mobb
Hercules and Love Affair - My House
Kate Bush - Wild Man
M83 - Claudia Lewis
Steve Arrington - (I Be) Goin Hard
Thundercat - For Love (I Come Your Friend)

ALBUMS

The Rapture - In the Grace of Your Love
Fatima feat. Floating Points - Follow You

(18/25)

That last one was the 3rd EP I've nominated - Assuming they've always been allowed as "albums" right? Guessing not many people will vote any of them but to me a cohesive 20+ minute EP should be in the same category, can be as much of a complete work as an LP

EPs are counted in the album category

btw, my #1 album is by the 18,000th group named King.

― furnace mane, Friday, December 9, 2011 12:23 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

lol rev you finally found an album of the year you can live with?

"Street Halo" has already been nominated.

Oops, ok, scratch that and replace with:

Angel Haze - Fall For Your Type

Love the idea of some Jamaican dancehall dude Googling his proposed name and changing it in order to avoid upsetting some random twee indie band from Glasgow or somewhere. I mean, the very idea is ridiculous.

Albums

East River Pipe - We Live In Rented Rooms
Azari & III - s/t

Tracks

metronomy - the look
cass mcccombs - county line
destroyer - song for america
east river pipe - backroom deals
fucked up - the other shoe
destroyer - kaputt
dum dum girls - coming down
bon iver - beth rest
king krule - out getting ribs
stephen malkmus - no one is (as i are be)
death grips - guillotine
the strokes - two kinds of happiness
pj harvey - the words that maketh murder
cliffie swan - dream chain

16/25

Marcellus Pittman - An Afternoons Delight
Floating Points - Danger
Tom Trago & Young Marco & Awanto 3 - Physical Thrill (Axel Boman remix)
Basic Soul Unit - Soulspeak (Shed remix)
Flavio Diners - Soulfree

15/25

Tracks ^

i say this every year, but seriously: if you want something nominated, you should do it yourself. and if you won't or haven't for some reason, and noone else does, then it probably wasn't going to get votes anyway, so either way there's no point in asking someone else to nominate something.

― Mr. Stevenson #2, Friday, December 9, 2011 4:07 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

Dunno, I figure there's some value in nudging people or at least reminding them an album exists. I mentioned the Zombi album because they're ILM faves and I assume that a good few people here will consider voting for it.

TRACKS

Ital - Queens

(11/25)

Tracks

Will Young-Jealousy
The Strokes-Under Cover Of Darkness

23/25

ALBUMS

Jacaszek - Glimmer
Stephan Mathieu - A Static Place

15/25

ALBUMS

Perfume - JPN

I've only just discovered it, but just noticed no-one's nominated Perc's Wicker & Steel or anything from it yet.

Just sayin, cos I'd definitely vote.

'Some random twee indie band from Glasgow'

Rmde

Oh is that who it was?

Luciano is (also) a minimal house bloke too, right?

FFS Rmde weren't from Glasgow, they were a Thames valley shoegaze band from Banbury.

genuine lols

ALBUMS

Chain & the Gang - Music's Not For Everyone
Kemper Norton - Libraries Act EP

(I have been told that EPs count for the albums poll. Also, you can download that KN EP for free, I will put the link in the campaigning thread.)

(Oh, and... 12/25)

This was aaaaages ago in the thread, but

Grimes - Geidi Prime

Was released all the way back in 2009. Was there a re-release or something this soon?

Also, starting to put together my list of nominations and when deep cuts like Angel Haze's Fall For Your Type are already nominated, I feel the need to say that I'm blown away by the awesomeness of Sandbox.