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overweight and zero positional flexibility. not to mention the price tag and years are both things AA said he will avoid (although i'm sure we've all heard that before).

sir thermo of thinwall, Thursday, 8 December 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link

plus the J's are ~ok~ at 1st for now. i'd imagine adding a starter is his priority now that the 2B and closer roles have been settled.

sir thermo of thinwall, Thursday, 8 December 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

thats all true but if you can get him at the right price (and really, how many teams are there that will make a serious offer?), you kind of have to think, is AA going to settle for a 88-90 win club, or is he going to make a serious playoff run in the toughest division?

I'm in the mood to party (J0n Arbuckle), Thursday, 8 December 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

the problem is probably more the years than the price

mookieproof, Thursday, 8 December 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link

i don't see the J's being a 88-90 win club even with Fielder! i think they're at least 3-4 years away from contention - when AA's draft picks are hitting the majors and maturing. why pay Prince to hang around until then - and then block a player who might be better suited for 1st than anywhere else (like they did with Lind).

sir thermo of thinwall, Thursday, 8 December 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link

Jon_Heyman
People ask, is albert pujols worth $254 million? And I say, is he 3 times better than aj burnett? Or twice as good as vernon wells? #bargain

This dude is dumb as rocks.

polyphonic, Thursday, 8 December 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

overweight and zero positional flexibility. not to mention the price tag and years are both things AA said he will avoid (although i'm sure we've all heard that before).

Nobody expects positional flexibility from their first baseman. As for his weight, health is a skill. Fielder has never been injured and plays 160 games every year. He looks like an exception to the rule, like Sabathia.

The Jays could do worse than signing Fielder, as long as they don't sign him for 20M per and then cap the team payroll at some ridiculously low number like they did when they extended Delgado.

NTBT, Friday, 9 December 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

"Nobody expects positional flexibility from their first baseman."

You do expect them to be able to play first base though, which Fielder is not great at and will only get worse.

smh, Friday, 9 December 2011 16:05 (twelve years ago) link

the rays just signed matt moore to a 5 yr, 14m contract o________________________________________O

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

i didn't know he was a two-sport athlete!

cad, Friday, 9 December 2011 16:18 (twelve years ago) link

wow. how do the Rays keep getting away with this

I'm in the mood to party (J0n Arbuckle), Friday, 9 December 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link

no idea

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 16:21 (twelve years ago) link

cubs traded tyler colvin and dj lamahieu to the rockies for ian stewart and casey weathers

n/a, Friday, 9 December 2011 17:23 (twelve years ago) link

p good trade for the cubs -- both those guys are bad, stewart kinda sucks too but he could prob platoon vs righties

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

colvin was decent his rookie year but yeah sucked pretty hard last year, sounds like he and stewart are both question marks

n/a, Friday, 9 December 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

Was reading this morning how that might open up a Martin Prado for Seth Smith(+) trade, but it's pure guesswork at this point.

William (C), Friday, 9 December 2011 17:31 (twelve years ago) link

5yr/$14m is less than the average mlb salary!

mookieproof, Friday, 9 December 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link

i also heard reported they have (multiple?) club options after the 5 yrs

j crunchwrap supreme, Friday, 9 December 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link

the a's are trading trevor cahill, for some reason

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link

to the d-backs

v-shasty, Friday, 9 December 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link

what's the median salary these days?

Dr Morbius, Saturday, 10 December 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link

it apparently was $1m three years ago, dunno about now

mookieproof, Saturday, 10 December 2011 01:13 (twelve years ago) link

still in shock about this Pujols deal and than the Lakers stole the thunder for about a half an hour

i currently live in Anaheim

Bee, Saturday, 10 December 2011 02:30 (twelve years ago) link

i need a new team, the Giants did nothing to improve the offence and won't sign Beltran (and now looks like he could be had fairly cheaply)

Beltran for Wheeler, why? will be Brian Sabean's worst trade

Bee, Saturday, 10 December 2011 02:38 (twelve years ago) link

Reigning NL MVP Ryan Braun has tested positive for a performance-enchancing drug: http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7338271/ryan-braun-milwaukee-brewers-tests-positive-performance-enhancing-drug

Bee, Sunday, 11 December 2011 01:20 (twelve years ago) link

Braun busted for PEDs!

sir thermo of thinwall, Sunday, 11 December 2011 01:20 (twelve years ago) link

knew, even though i dislike the Dodgers, that Matt Kemp was the real winner of the NL MVP last year

Bee, Sunday, 11 December 2011 01:21 (twelve years ago) link

Awful. Regardless of how seriously you take the issue--just bad for the game.

clemenza, Sunday, 11 December 2011 01:22 (twelve years ago) link

bee did you always live in anaheim?

mayor jingleberriez, Sunday, 11 December 2011 05:05 (twelve years ago) link

nope, i lived in San Francisco when i first heard about ilx

Bee, Sunday, 11 December 2011 07:29 (twelve years ago) link

We're 100% certain that Ryan Braun cheated and Matt Kemp did not, huh?

Andy K, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

keithlaw keithlaw
Ryan Braun's ISO in 2011 was .018 above his ISO over the prior four years, when he would have tested negative for PEDs at least six times.

Andy K, Sunday, 11 December 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

i don't think any of that changes that he's still a total idiot for taking them, or taking whatever he was taking that elevated his testosterone

v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 16:06 (twelve years ago) link

Positive tests for sanctimony upcoming

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:30 (twelve years ago) link

Interesting point, improbably, from Olney:

Braun is the 2011 NL MVP and there is no precedent for that to be altered, even if he's suspended. The Baseball Writers Association of America has never stripped a winner of an award, including Alex Rodriguez, who has acknowledged using performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, when he won the AL MVP.

But that's a stance completely at odds with the writers' collective stance in the Hall of Fame balloting, in which voters have treated the history of Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmeiro, et al, as if it doesn't exist; they've stripped those players of the accomplishments of their entire careers -- and sometimes based on mere suspicion, as in the case of Jeff Bagwell.

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ken Rosenthal
Source: Braun tested positive for a prohibited substance, not a performance-enhancing drug. More coming on FOXSports.com.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link

STONER

Z S, Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ryan-braun.jpg

Z S, Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

totes

v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

go listen to your workingman's dead someone where else, ryan braun - this is a family friendly town and we want nothing to do with your likes

Z S, Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

I hope that's the extent of it.

Olney is conflating a vote that's already happened, MVP, with one that hasn't, HOF. No HOF player has ever been removed from the Hall, and if a prospective MVP tested positive in late August or September, I think it's safe to say he would not go on to win the award. I don't see a parallel there. (And, as I've always said, I think caution in HOF voting--where there is ample time to revisit a player's candidacy--is sensible.)

clemenza, Sunday, 11 December 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

But my source -- and again, this is from Braun's end and not MLB -- familiar with the test's findings says the "prohibited substance" was not a performance-enhancing drug or steroid of any kind. And the source says there has "never" been a result like this in the history of the MLB testing program.

The source said MLB "knows that Ryan is telling the truth) and firmly believes the postive test will be overturned. Pretty amazing stuff, huh?

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/135405518.html

j crunchwrap supreme, Sunday, 11 December 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

"never"

j crunchwrap supreme, Sunday, 11 December 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

damn, i was hoping JS was, like, "jewish sentinel" or something

v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link

elevated levels of gefilte fish

j crunchwrap supreme, Sunday, 11 December 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

trace amts of blood in his LSD stream

William (C), Sunday, 11 December 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

i thought there was no way i could like braun more (of course, that affection nosedived when i heard he was using PEDs) but if it turns out he's a stoner... <3

Mordy, Sunday, 11 December 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

y'all it's not gonna be a recreational drug

v-shasty, Sunday, 11 December 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

what's it going to be?

Mordy, Sunday, 11 December 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link

"the test's findings says the "prohibited substance" was not a performance-enhancing drug or steroid of any kind"

Mordy, Sunday, 11 December 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link


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