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What's with the pile on? Mancini's recent European record is abysmal

at the start of August imo it was 50-50 whether Mancini wd last the season with City, but if this season isn't evidence that he's learning from his mistakes and that his team is starting to gel a bit then god knows what is, i'm pretty sure his CL failure this season will be made up for by winning the league, and i think he'll come back with a better CL campaign next season.

When do UEFA's new financial rules come into force?

"force"

They already are in "force" aren't they?

Are they? LOL. Platini fixed it for Lyon to go through last night, so he must have some power

You can't lose more than a certain amount over the next three seasons or something

I thought 12/13 was the year of FFP. But it invokes the three previous seasons, so this year will be assessed then.

at the start of August imo it was 50-50 whether Mancini wd last the season with City, but if this season isn't evidence that he's learning from his mistakes and that his team is starting to gel a bit then god knows what is, i'm pretty sure his CL failure this season will be made up for by winning the league, and i think he'll come back with a better CL campaign next season.

― Maybe Bartering Will Help (Julie Lagger), Thursday, 8 December 2011 11:46 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

And at Inter, he won the league by taking the leagues best players and... they failed in Europe and all tried to leave/were deemed a bit shit by Jose who tried to replace them.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02078/wayne-rooney_2078434c.jpg

http://www.101greatgoals.com/dinamo-zagreb-1-lyon-7-stinks-breakdown-of-the-controversial-goals/120071/

Swiss Ramble did City and FFP recently - conclusion was that they will more-or-less meet the criteria as their income is ramping up hugely, and with only a little tinkering (e.g. sell Tevez) definitely will.

Ha xxp, I thought that was a mirror he was beside

guys

srsly

rooney is not as good as say nicky barmby, if you average it out over his career

feel the english posters need to acknowledge this and get some peace

feel the english posters need to acknowledge this and get some peace

― bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Thursday, 8 December 2011 12:44 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

the majority have p much always agreed with you? number none does the supporter thing that we all do but other than that, i dunno who you are addressing.

Yeah, and even i don't want to talk about it anymore

mancini has made it out of the group stages before tho i think, twice at least

nick barmby, we all agree on this, explicitly?

Barmby's highs were lower but he was more consistent maybe

making a better fist of management than i can imagine Wayne doing tho :D

Rooney - 2002-present (8 and a half seasons)- 126 goals - 14 goals per season
Barmby - 1991-2000 (9 seasons) - 47 goals - 5.2 goals a season.

Maybe pick someone else?

barmby was pretty good for lfc in 2001 treble...was weird when he got unceremoniously dumped after that.

“The fact remains that in Mancini’s fifth Champions League season as a manager of a club at the very top level of financial support, with a vastly expensive array of talent at his disposal, he has failed even to make it out of the group stage.”

― big popppa hoy, Thursday, 8 December 2011 11:27 (2 hours ago)

Roberto Mancini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Mancini
Inter were knocked out in the Second Round of the UEFA Champions League by Liverpool. In March 2008, amid rumours that he was to be sacked and replaced ...

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/07_01/anfield_468x598.jpg

Would love to see Rafa at Citeh with the full support of the board for just three or four more signings.

i won't pick anyone else, tbh. rooney has managed 14 goals a season as the focal point of manchester utd's attack, nicky barmby scored a good few goals in a career as a creative midfielder, or at best second striker, for spurs, hull, middlesborough, everton, lfc et al, none of whom were winning leagues or supplying their strikers with cronaldo et al at the time.

Barmby-level performance, imo, flatters rooney somewhat.

Reasonable Dutchman, emotional Latin stereotypes ahoy:

"If there was something unusual, Uefa should investigate what happened in Zagreb. My assistants have told me that the goals came quick and easy, because you can't normally score these goals in half an hour. But destiny was in our own hands … I will have to see video replays [of the disallowed goals]."

The Lyon sporting director, Bernard Lacombe, said: "It's total rubbish, people should stop saying such things. Did they open an investigation at half-time when it was 1-1? I don't give a damn what the Ajax manager says. Apparently we are also responsible for the refereeing of the match in Amsterdam …"

LOL who's the Ajax manager?

well, at least we've never failed to make it out of the group stages

Is this true? I thought Arsenal always used to go out at group stages? Didn't you play your home games at Wembley and do really badly? I can't remember when this was.

oooh, the annual 4-4-2 list is out. should we poll it?

"On this stage a 7-1 away win is an exception. Maybe I'm naive when I think it normally doesn't work like this, but if Zagreb gave the match away they should be punished," Frank De Boer said after a night that consigned Ajax to the Europa League.

"But I think it is hard to find any evidence in this case," he told reporters.

funniest placing is rooney at #6 obv.

gerrard #78th best player despite playing like 3 games.

Essien is at #65????? No wonder print media is dying.

Barmby would run Rooney a lot closer in a pie-eating contest.

link? xp

Yes, can't wait to see where Song is

he didnt place. also i have the mag, you'll have to find it yaselves.

modric at #18 seems abt right.

top ten is ozil, rvi, pique, silva, worlds best right back, villa, iniesta, xavi, cronaldo, messi.

so basically if real or barca didn't exist, they'd think rooney the best player of the year.

That's it, you can type out the good bits for us

oh fuck, that's a world list?

i saw rooney #6 and assumed league, and thought 'that's high but lol english media i suppose'

Tad Anglocentric

Joe Hart, 6th best goalkeeper in the world

tbfttl that may be true

i need a hobby

damiao
ferdinand
rossi
prince boateng
maicon
klose
masch
hart
llorente
lugano
pereira
mueller
balotelli
martinez
buffon
lucio
wilshere
reina
cazorla
forlan
m'vila
pepe
gerrard
marchisio
erikson
robinho

100-76

thank you sam

hulk
de rossi
hamsik
kaka
sanchez
pato
kagawa
dzeko
chiellini
essien
lloris
abidal
falcao
tevez
pirlo
marcelo
puyol
ramos
fat frank
valdes
vdv
drogba
di natale
mario gomez

75-51

How many of the hundred aren't at Barca-Real-EPL top six-Milan clubs-Juve-or-Bayern?

Thinking rarely comes more wishful than with the English and their goalkeepers

i shd promise not to be all OMG SO UNFAIR SO OVERATED about silly lists, but honestly tommy muller is srsly and systematically underrated

most of this seems ok tho, recurring difficulty is assessing asging superstars with injury problems

wilshere behind hamsik, a small relief i guess