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oh, Jesse. you're, like, the anti-me. I love overly-clever dialogue. and Sports Night. I suspect I would dislike The Goodbye Girl, though, because isn't Richard Dreyfuss in it?

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_Night ?

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

yes, that Sports Night. though, to be fair, overly-clever dialogue can be godawful, viz. everything else Aaron Sorkin has ever done.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, that show.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

See I kind of liked The West Wing for the first few seasons but I have never met anyone (ok, check that: one person who was just a giant sports nut, and now you) who honestly liked Sports Night. Just thought it a little odd, but to each their own when it comes to bad TV. (for example, I watched several episodes of Heroes last night)

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Sports Night is not bad tv! I mean business! I was under the impression that no one liked it because no one actually watched it.

I like bad TV, too, but Sports Night is not it.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Fans of two-person movies should rent Conversations with Other Women when it comes to DVD. I thought it was fantastic, one of my favorite films of this year, with strong performances from Helena Bonham Carter and Aaron Eckhart, engaging in clever, flirtatious back-and-forths for 80 minutes.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I never saw Sports Night, but I was under the impression that it was a lamented classic that never got the ratings it deserved, a la Arrested Development.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Sports Night is not about sports.

I would guess that people could defend SN by saying it was "intelligent" etc, so I would think it doesn't fit into the generally-accepted canon of Bad TV. But it defines bad entertainment for me.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

how I defend SN (I guess this is of interest to nobody except maybe Jesse, so sorry everyone!):

it did a really good job of drawing out complex and indidvidual relationships between each of its characters and everybody else. it drew a social picture really well and remained more or less faithful to it. I admit, though, that I dig super-mannered dialogue and I get why many people don't.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

uh, I meant "individual"

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I am not arguing about what constitutes bad TV on the internet :)

xpost: west wing did that too, at least at first

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

My ex would not shut up about Sports Night, Goodbye Girl, and All in the Family, all of which I dearly hate and which are now evidence of how it could never work between us.

xpost--I haven't seen SN since '01 so my critique (beyond "hated it") will be pretty flimsy, but I suppose I didn't like the way it dealt with relationships because it used really broad strokes and the writers cared more about hearing their own voices than giving the characters' their own. Yeh, I think that covers it-- Goodbye Girl and SN are like watching a puppet show.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Dinner with Andre

― Jeff... (Jeff...), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked Sports Night, but every subsequent Sorkin show I've seen has annoyed me. Go figure.

― JordanC (JordanC), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The reason I even brought this up is that Hard Candy was in the same vein--the characters were not believable because they were way too exaggerated, especially the girl. The problem was that it was hard enough to buy that this girl could be so cunning and smart, but impossible when her dialogue and acting did nothing to betray the fact that she was 14 y.o. I would have probably really liked it if that had been corrected and she had been made to seem like a child putting on being an adult. As it stands, the only reason I have to believe that she is 14 is that it's stated. It reminded me of The Good Son in that way.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

it used really broad strokes

agree to disagree.

the writers cared more about hearing their own voices than giving the characters' their own

anyone on a Sorkin show speaks Sorkin, so that's fair. I do think there were character-appropriate variations in Sports Night, but, like I said, I do get why people dislike his stuff. I get it a lot better after latter-day West Wing and fucking Studio 60.

xpost: omg, Jordan, you and I are totally alone on this SN superiority!

I love My Dinner with Andre.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Sayjal is pimping the FF through email.

I should watch the WW, this might work better in drama.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/160/342895819_c2dcad05b5_o.jpg

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

xp first four seasons are fucking solid imo

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

There's a character on there who I'm told I resemble. Press secretary?

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link

she's the greatest, Jesse! CJ, played by Allison Janney. best Sorkin character ever, probably.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm guessing it's probably this dude:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/7/70/240px-Joshua_Malina.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link

No, no. It's a man who wears glasses.

Yes, him. And now that I see that picutre, I'm reeealy not happy.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude's character was a total shithead too.

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

During his tenure on The West Wing, Malina was known to the rest of the cast as a tireless prankster. It is said he coated telephones with Vaseline and reset producer Alex Grave's iPod menus to Mandarin Chinese. It is also said he stole some of Bradley Whitford's letterhead stationary and used it in an elaborate prank.

How come actors are always pulling pranks? Makes for good talk-show fodder?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link

oh, right. that actor was great on Sports Night, but I wasn't watching West Wing anymore when he arrived.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link

just chiming in to agree on sorkin mostly sucking except for sports night. i loved that show.

xxp i've only seen pics of you, jesse, but you don't look anything like that actor to me. (he was jeremy on SN too)

― JuliaA (JuliaA), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Wikipedia says he has been in every project Sorkin has ever done, including A Few Good Men on stage.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost People pull pranks at work all the time.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Something that people do when they're forced to be in close proximity for long periods of time? I pulled all kinds of jokes (and had them pulled on me) when I worked at the restaurant.

xpost and what jesse said

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost People pull pranks at work in restaurants all the time.

fixed

― JordanC (JordanC), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Not only there, but the environment does breed that sort of thing on a larger scale.

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeh, the restaurant world is full of pranks. My favorites have involved our VIP Tickets that the waiters get for special requests, VIPs, etc. I got one that said, "Table 107 - Free Dessert - He's asking for a divorce tonight."

One other guy got one that said "Free Dessert - He's coming out to his parents."

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Is it okay to bring a cat in a cab if you put the cat in a carrier? Will anybody pick you up?

― Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I've never worked in a restaurant.

I guess there were maybe a couple pranks pulled during my theatre days, but I don't really remember much apart from the "I Love Jesus" bandit.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, ILX, which is cuter:

Adorable Francie all curled up and sweet in a little wee basket:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/112/294810319_9cc4de9d0d.jpg?v=0

Or ding dong Brenda in a dumb wine box:

http://flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif

― Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Whoops, here is Brenda:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/156/335967759_4636cd9f07.jpg

― Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

P@xson says that if she is trying to get a cab when she has a dog she hides the dog a little and then bustles in with her. Try that.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

http://myspacecomedy.com/images/funny/driving-cat.jpg

― JordanC (JordanC), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm kind of partial to ding dong Brenda.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry Brenda pwns.

― JordanC (JordanC), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Which is awsomer: a neurotic cat in a basket or ..... whatever is going on here?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/50/109792597_39a636e201.jpg

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

That's what I was thinking. Maybe throw a towel over the carrier so by the time the driver figures it out, we're already on the way. Since Sample gets doped up for vet apts. she should be fairly quiet.

XPOST WRONG.

― Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Favorite prank on servers ever: duct taping all salt and pepper shakers together in one long strand and strategically placing them back on the shelf inconspicuously

xpost: I like Francie because shorthair > longhair

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

You oversold the Francie. You should have gone with the sympathy vote.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link

OH yeah haterz? Check this out:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/7/11132830_60259c39fe.jpg

Waaaaaay better than Brenda.

― Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

What was going on with the lobster again? Did you bring one home for dinner?

― JordanC (JordanC), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

The presence of unattractive technology and lightswitch in the back is kind of detracting from the CUET in Francie pic, whereas everything in Brenda photo is quaint and unobtrusive. Francie looks like a better cat, though. LOBSTER PIC IS GENIUS.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link

We're judging cats, not photo quality. The light switch is part of the real life fun because when I reach in to turn the light on, sometimes I accidentally jab Francie and she says, "Mrrprprprrrrmmwwwwmwmw???"

― Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

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