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That's meant to imply Tony moonlights as a magical bunny wizard.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, aside from the obvious.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

and the dead girl is Rick Ankiel's career

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 7 December 2006 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link

A's apparently got Piazza for one year $8.5m.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 December 2006 00:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Irrelevant pic plz

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 December 2006 00:59 (seventeen years ago) link

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. -- Free agent pitcher Ted Lilly, who earlier in the day ruled out returning to Toronto, agreed Wednesday night to a $40 million, four-year contract with the Chicago Cubs.

Lilly's agent, Larry O'Brien, made the announcement at baseball's winter meetings.

Lilly, a left-hander, crossed the Blue Jays off his list Wednesday and had narrowed his possible destinations to the Cubs and New York Yankees, O'Brien told ESPN.com.


O'Brien planned to meet with Yankees general manager Brian Cashman on Wednesday night. It was not clear if that meeting took place.

Toronto continues to pursue free agent Gil Meche as a possible No. 3 starter behind Roy Halladay and A.J. Burnett.


Lilly, 30, has a career 59-58 record in eight major-league seasons with Montreal, the Yankees, Oakland and Toronto. He went 15-13 with a 4.31 ERA for the Blue Jays last season.

deep space nine (deep space nine), Thursday, 7 December 2006 01:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Apparently he said he wanted to play on a "winner", so...

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 December 2006 03:39 (seventeen years ago) link

TS: paying 11M/yr for Burnett (in 2005) vs paying 10M/yr for TED LILLY??@?! (in 2006)

I'm starting to think that JP was a prophet after all.

No Time Before Time (Barry Barry), Thursday, 7 December 2006 09:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Never mind that the single best contract currently in place is the deal that Tejada inked w/ the O's a couple years ago.

Gleeman's NBC.com Winter Meetings blog suggests that Schmidt screwed himself out of buxxx by settling for "Meche / Lilly" money w/ that Dodgers contract. Let's remember the dude was signed for $47M over 3 years. WTF kind of world is it where GIL MECHE gets over $15M?

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 7 December 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

"TS: paying 11M/yr for Burnett (in 2005) vs paying 10M/yr for TED LILLY??@?! (in 2006)"

I like paying Loaiza 7M/yr the best. No one on the A's boards think that was dumb deal now.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 December 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

real ESPN news headline ...

Lilly strikes $40M deal with Cubs | Hendry has angioplasty

any correlation?

No Time Before Time (Barry Barry), Thursday, 7 December 2006 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha oh man

Jays lose Meche to Royals

No Time Before Time (Barry Barry), Thursday, 7 December 2006 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

OH NO THE AGONY OF THAT SLIGHT

wtf are the Royals even doing spending money?

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 7 December 2006 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

"wtf are the Royals even doing spending money?"

They still get money ya know? What are they supposed to do with it?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 December 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

something like this?

nathan explosion (natepatrin), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha I had the full intention of pointing at "Twins trying to re-sign White" as a sign that their free agency efforts are kind of sad and then I scroll down and see THIS:

The Twins have spoken with the agents for righthander Sidney Ponson, a career 80-96 pitcher who was 4-5 with a 6.25 ERA last season in stints with the Yankees and Cardinals, both of whom released him. He was 17-12, 3.75 in 2003 with Baltimore and San Francisco. The Twins likely would sign him to a minor league deal with an invitation to spring training.

AAAAGH AAAGH AGH

nathan explosion (natepatrin), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't get why the Twins didn't try to get Piazza.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Then again I didn't understand why they didn't try for Thomas last year either.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't get why the Twins didn't try to get Piazza.

We need all that $$$ for quality pitching, which apparently involves helping Dennys Reyes feel better about his weight by signing someone even fatter.

Then again I didn't understand why they didn't try for Thomas last year either.

Frank Thomas + turf = problems.

nathan explosion (natepatrin), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

"Frank Thomas + turf = problems."

Tell JP that *cough*.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm starting to think that JP was a prophet after all.

Any GM that signed a player to a bad contract prior to this offseason looks like a genius.

Donkey Kong New York (Lee), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

What The Royals Should Do With Their Money (Which They Still Get, So What Else Can They Do):

1) Invest in their farm system.
2) Keep away from the mid-level starting pitcher free agent market.
3) Rent the services of multiple bodyguards for Alex Gordon.
4) Bring Rush Limbaugh back into the fold as the Grand Royal With Cheese.
5) Have Tony Muser killed, then brought back to life as a zombie.
6) Have Undead Tony Muser kill Allard Baird.
7) Turn Mike Sweeney into sharkbait.
8) Post Angel Berroa's ROY trophy on eBay.
9) Buy Bob Hamelin & Ken Harvey a Monte Cristo each.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 7 December 2006 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

jp was the basketball coach at my first high school. real douchebag.

thebingo (thebingo), Thursday, 7 December 2006 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't stand him. what a miserable gm.

^@^ (map), Thursday, 7 December 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

And now it looks like he might be trading Wells :(

at least he's still better than GORD Ash

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 December 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Why would you want to attempt to sign a more-than-solid defensive / offensive OF from yr own system to a multi-year contract when you can overpay for gimpy 3Bers or slow-as-death DHes?

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 7 December 2006 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, Rumor Central says that he's expecting 20mil per season, and probably for at least six seasons. Plus, the assumption is that he doesn't want to re-sign there anyway.

Wells for Penny, Kemp and let's say Billingsley? I mean, you'd pretty much have to take that deal if you're JP.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Thursday, 7 December 2006 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link

at least he's still better than GORD Ash

?!

wanna compare ash's draft history to jp's?

^@^ (map), Thursday, 7 December 2006 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think Wells is old enough for Colletti.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 7 December 2006 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha - I think y'all did compare Ash v. JP draft-wise once upon a time.

ILX COME BACK WE MISS YOU (and I have rocks in my ass).

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 7 December 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

We did? Was it really that bad???

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 December 2006 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe the convo boiled down to "lol @ Russ Adams," but I'm pretty sure something happened.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 7 December 2006 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Wrong thread, but I'm not going to start a new on the the Sandbox:

While with the Cubs, Alfonseca was thrown out of a game on September 2, 2003, for hitting an umpire with his stomach.

WAHT.

Donkey Kong New York (Lee), Thursday, 7 December 2006 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I think thids is the "WAHT" part:
His nickname is "El Pulpo" or "The Octopus". He has six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, a condition known as polydactyly; his extra small fingers next to his pinky have no influence on his pitching, as they don't touch the ball.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 8 December 2006 00:58 (seventeen years ago) link

"Six Finger" Alfonseca is relatively common knowledge. I'm wondering if he bopped an ump with his stomach.

In other news, surprising no one, Bonds re-signs with Giants.

Donkey Kong New York (Lee), Friday, 8 December 2006 03:37 (seventeen years ago) link

gord ash drafted: halladay, hudson, wells, michael young, rios, reed johnson, dustin mcgowan, brandon league, craig wilson, billy koch, casey blake, jay gibbons and vinnie chulk.

jp's highlights so far: russ adams, david bush, aaron hill and adam lind.

admittedly it's not exactly fair to compare 95-01 guys to those from 02-05, but that's still a pretty damning dropoff.

^@^ (map), Friday, 8 December 2006 05:16 (seventeen years ago) link

okay mariners are dumb pt 124 rafael soriano for Horacio Ramirez

jelky (jergins), Friday, 8 December 2006 06:45 (seventeen years ago) link

GAHAHAH WTF @ SEATTLE

aidsy (aidsy), Friday, 8 December 2006 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link

11 MIL A YEAR FOR MECHE, WTF

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 December 2006 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks for reading the thread, Morbs!

David RER (Frank Fiore), Friday, 8 December 2006 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

gord ash drafted: halladay, hudson, wells, michael young, rios, reed johnson, dustin mcgowan, brandon league, craig wilson, billy koch, casey blake, jay gibbons and vinnie chulk.

jp's highlights so far: russ adams, david bush, aaron hill and adam lind.

OK, this is silly. Young didn't come up in the J's org, and the last nine names are unproven/fouth OF/burnouts (koch), with the possible exception of Blake. The Jays were a shittier team when Ash ran the club, and therefore they could draft earlier and get more can't-miss prospects. It didn't take a genius to pick Vernon Wells fifth overall. Meanwhile, we won't know how JP's picks (which included a lot of impressive Sept 2006 callups) turn out for a few years yet.

Gord Ash banked on rejects from last-place Pittsburgh (Carlos Garcia, Orlando Merced, yeah WHO DEY) to push the team over the edge from mediocrity, and signed 190-year old Ruben Sierra because he didn't think Shawn Green was ready for the big leagues (even though it was his third full season with the club). His best trade was Plesac-Tony Batista, which looked like an absolute steal at the time but then again, only a couple of years later, Batista was gone and Plesac was resigned.

The biggest transaction that occured during Ash's tenure was the free-agent signing of Clemens, and he had nothing to do with it (club president Paul Beeston did all the work).

No Time Before Time (Barry Barry), Friday, 8 December 2006 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link

The player that best represents Ash's tenure with the J's for me:
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Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 8 December 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Damn temporary nuilx!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 8 December 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

okay mariners are dumb pt 124 rafael soriano for Horacio Ramirez

Well, they replaced Meche for a lot less than $11 million, and I'm not sure he's any worse!

Michael (Oakland Mike), Friday, 8 December 2006 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

But they traded their 2nd-best (if not best) bullpen arm for rotational filler! That's just duhbumbum.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Friday, 8 December 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

OTM. That Mariners trade was terrible, regardless of the Meche outcome.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 December 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Rotational filler costs 10mil per year, haven't you guys been paying attention.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Friday, 8 December 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I hate numbers.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Friday, 8 December 2006 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Pettite to Yankees for $16M.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 December 2006 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

middle-aged request: mention all teams involved, cuz right now I have no idea who Carlos Quentin is.

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 1 January 2012 08:09 (twelve years ago) link

dude was (v. briefly) the white sox's next superstar iirc

mookieproof, Sunday, 1 January 2012 08:28 (twelve years ago) link

dude with good power and decent patience who was #5 in the mvp voting in '08, good year in '11, two mediocre years in between. should become a nice, forgettable 40 doubles per year guy in petco.

omar (son), Sunday, 1 January 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link

He probably would have finished higher in '08 MVP voting if he hadn't missed around 30 games near the end of the season (temper-related wrist fracture).

Andy K, Monday, 2 January 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago) link


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