rolling rap thread

haha uh oh

the thing i like about kendrick lamar is that he raps better than all those new rappers with a bit of internet hype.

as simple as that

that is also true

and then he can make a good song, he has some really dope production, blogs seems to like him but he's not soft...

yeah i mean he's got better bars than a$ap rocky no doubt

yeah as a technical rapper kendrick is obv preferable to any of the other dudes mentioned in this convo, & i did like a few of the songs on that album but most of them seemed like kind of a mess to me, i really don't get the pac comparisons some ppl (and lamar himself) were pushing, even aside from the laughable implication in terms of quality wrt that comparison i don't feel like he's a very inviting or likeable persona, he's kind of blank actaully

i just feel like you're compartmentalizing rappers into such distinct categories that you can't even begin to comprehend someone hearing a very elemental sonic similarity based on something more external and superficial -- it's like "no no they have NOTHING in common, this guy wears doo rags and this guy wears kufis!!!!"

― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:49 (1 hour ago) Permalink

thanks for ascribing superficial stupidity to me but now, just, like, on any level they don't have similar voices; neither do Wale and Wiz. the comparisons both seem bizarre to me.

Kendrick has a much less corny flow and vocal tone, he has more control, his voice doesn't dip up in frequency like ka'naan's does. it's nowhere near as corny. i mean, they might have voices at roughly the same frequency but that's true of tons of other rappers as well.

i mean, lamar just sounds cooler and less earnestly eager-to-please than kanaan, and i mean that in the sense of his vocals, never mind his lyrics. Lyrically, Kendrick is also a lot more oblique & less on-the-nose obvious about what his 'point' is, it's a lot more about conveying a feeling than trying to hammer home a message

dying @ lil b being a conscious rapperor whatever btw, boots riley weeps

honestly, I wouldn't carry this argument on if I didn't think that Al would probably like the album a bit more than he realizes based off of the tracks he's sampled -- I can see why he would have that kind of snap judgement, but the record is really diverse & interesting & he's definitely a talented performer, with a lot more depth stylistically than the other artists mentioned here

yeah kendrick actually makes an effort to flip new styles in his actual rapping as opposed to his clothes or his twitter brand

the adhd video is really really cool too

that said he should probably check 'setbacks' first

Here's The Wire's rap list from the year end thread

Chris Brown featuring Lil Wayne & Busta Rhymes Look At Me Now (Jive)
Danny Brown XXX (Fools Gold)
Jay-Z & Kanye West Niggas In Paris (Def Jam)
Kendrick Lamar Section 80 (TDE)
Lil B Bitch Mob: Respect Da Bitch Vol 1 (No label)
Meek Mill House Party (Maybach Music Group)
Mr Muthafuckin’ Exquire Huzzah (YouTube clip)
Tyler, The Creator Yonkers (OFWGKTA/XL)
Don Trip & Starlito Step Brothers (No label)
Waka Flocka Flame Duflocka Rant (No label)

haha i find it hard to believe ppl are actually repping for 'respect da bitch'. do i need to listen to it again?

'house party' is fucking amazing

who is writing the wire's hip-hop column now? still noz?

yeah, didn't know he was a fan of "Niggas in Paris" tho

Kendrick has a much less corny flow and vocal tone, he has more control, his voice doesn't dip up in frequency like ka'naan's does. it's nowhere near as corny. i mean, they might have voices at roughly the same frequency but that's true of tons of other rappers as well.

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Wednesday, December 7, 2011 4:38 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

i mean, lamar just sounds cooler and less earnestly eager-to-please than kanaan, and i mean that in the sense of his vocals, never mind his lyrics. Lyrically, Kendrick is also a lot more oblique & less on-the-nose obvious about what his 'point' is, it's a lot more about conveying a feeling than trying to hammer home a message

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Wednesday, December 7, 2011 4:41 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

90% of what you just said has nothing to do w/ vocal timbre, i'm not 'ascribing stupidity' to you if you want to keep changing the subject and ignoring what i'm actually saying

even i'm a fan of "niggas in paris" even though kanye needs to be REMOVED from it badly

http://www.highsnobiety.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/kanye-west-entourage-fashion-week-paris.jpg

never forget goin gorillas

hey smartass how is accusing me of differentiating rappers based on headgear not accusing me of superficial stupidity?

and yes i specifically addressed vocal tone in what i just said, about how they use their voices?

(youtube clip)

i just feel like you're compartmentalizing rappers into such distinct categories that you can't even begin to comprehend someone hearing a very elemental sonic similarity based on something more external and superficial -- it's like "no no they have NOTHING in common, this guy wears doo rags and this guy wears kufis!!!!"

like, what post of mine is this even referring to? 'such distinct categories'??

before it was "distortions," now it's "accusations," you're really just incapable of shooting the shit about music without sounding like a politician on the defensive dude

if you stop trying to argue with strawmen it would be a lot easier to not be defensive about it

it was a humorous exaggeration, not an actual serious allegation that you judge rappers by their mystical hats as you do with jazz musicians

you're exaggerating a position i dont even hold

anyway all i meant by the k'naan thing was that kendrick lamar seems like the kind of rapper i might enjoy if his voice had the slightest bit of gravitas, i'm sorry if that's just a bizarre thing to say but i'm just giving a first impression and not digging my heels in or anything

thats fine, i don't even love the kendrick record like that, it just seemed like an overly harsh judgement considering

yeah, didn't know he was a fan of "Niggas in Paris" tho

― Number None, Wednesday, December 7, 2011 5:26 PM (34 minutes ago)

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is this going to do well in the ilm poll?

nothing is good about that song

every time deej says "cray" i shudder

*ducks in*

BAH SO HAHD

*ducks out*

jay's verse on that is awesome -- really shoulda been a solo record

i missed duflocka rant, is it actually that good?

if "single ladies" is the aural equivalent of trya.gif, "niggas in paris" is the aural equivalent of
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/rap_roller.jpg

"diva" is the one that's the aural tyra.gif!

you do need the t.i. verse on "niggas in paris"

right right

point stands

dying @ lil b being a conscious rapperor whatever btw, boots riley weeps

― k3vin k., Wednesday, December 7, 2011 3:41 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink

lil b spits very real shit at times

yeah, kick kanye off, make it a t.i./jay song and that's top 10 singles of the year

if "single ladies" is the aural equivalent of trya.gif, "niggas in paris" is the aural equivalent of
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/rap_roller.jpg

― k3vin k., Wednesday, December 7, 2011 6:07 PM (2 minutes ago)

even if you somehow like that goofy ass bad rapping song, someone man up and tell me this post isn't objectively otm

oh also put a good beat and chorus on it (xpost)

my man

that's a great beat

^NAH SO HARD

dying @ lil b being a conscious rapperor whatever btw, boots riley weeps

― k3vin k., Wednesday, December 7, 2011 3:41 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink

lil b spits very real shit at times

― v-shasty, Wednesday, December 7, 2011 6:09 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

yeah but it's mostly kinda just weird soft-headed shit, he doesn't have a political agenda IMO

not arguing about dope party music with crotchety mr. shipley and i don't even listen to music kev kells

MOVING ON -- i don't really get the big deal about "house party". it's def a hot song but i don't see it as, like, some classic track. prob not even in my top 5 off 'dreamchasers'. or maybe my #5.

yeah but it's mostly kinda just weird soft-headed shit, he doesn't have a political agenda IMO

― upper mississippi 2: still shakin, Wednesday, December 7, 2011 5:13 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

and for the better imo

has lil b repped for ron paul yet

or would even endorsing one candidate over another not be 'positive' enough for him