the one w/ GLC on the album is dope
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
its just an interlude-ish joint btw i wasnt trying to append this to the discussion with al
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
his voice sounds nothing like kanaans, jesus, not even close`
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
i still think wiz khalifa and wale have very similar voices too ::shrugs::
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
i just feel like you're compartmentalizing rappers into such distinct categories that you can't even begin to comprehend someone hearing a very elemental sonic similarity based on something more external and superficial -- it's like "no no they have NOTHING in common, this guy wears doo rags and this guy wears kufis!!!!"
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
lol, i feel like this cricles back to the basis of the 'regional thug' argument
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
haha uh oh
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
the thing i like about kendrick lamar is that he raps better than all those new rappers with a bit of internet hype.
― sisilafami, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
as simple as that
― sisilafami, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
that is also true
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
and then he can make a good song, he has some really dope production, blogs seems to like him but he's not soft...
― sisilafami, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i mean he's got better bars than a$ap rocky no doubt
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah as a technical rapper kendrick is obv preferable to any of the other dudes mentioned in this convo, & i did like a few of the songs on that album but most of them seemed like kind of a mess to me, i really don't get the pac comparisons some ppl (and lamar himself) were pushing, even aside from the laughable implication in terms of quality wrt that comparison i don't feel like he's a very inviting or likeable persona, he's kind of blank actaully
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:49 (1 hour ago) Permalink
thanks for ascribing superficial stupidity to me but now, just, like, on any level they don't have similar voices; neither do Wale and Wiz. the comparisons both seem bizarre to me.
Kendrick has a much less corny flow and vocal tone, he has more control, his voice doesn't dip up in frequency like ka'naan's does. it's nowhere near as corny. i mean, they might have voices at roughly the same frequency but that's true of tons of other rappers as well.
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, lamar just sounds cooler and less earnestly eager-to-please than kanaan, and i mean that in the sense of his vocals, never mind his lyrics. Lyrically, Kendrick is also a lot more oblique & less on-the-nose obvious about what his 'point' is, it's a lot more about conveying a feeling than trying to hammer home a message
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
dying @ lil b being a conscious rapperor whatever btw, boots riley weeps
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
honestly, I wouldn't carry this argument on if I didn't think that Al would probably like the album a bit more than he realizes based off of the tracks he's sampled -- I can see why he would have that kind of snap judgement, but the record is really diverse & interesting & he's definitely a talented performer, with a lot more depth stylistically than the other artists mentioned here
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
yeah kendrick actually makes an effort to flip new styles in his actual rapping as opposed to his clothes or his twitter brand
― gucc_ebooks (tpp), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
the adhd video is really really cool too
― gucc_ebooks (tpp), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
that said he should probably check 'setbacks' first
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
Here's The Wire's rap list from the year end thread
Chris Brown featuring Lil Wayne & Busta Rhymes Look At Me Now (Jive) Danny Brown XXX (Fools Gold) Jay-Z & Kanye West Niggas In Paris (Def Jam) Kendrick Lamar Section 80 (TDE) Lil B Bitch Mob: Respect Da Bitch Vol 1 (No label) Meek Mill House Party (Maybach Music Group) Mr Muthafuckin’ Exquire Huzzah (YouTube clip) Tyler, The Creator Yonkers (OFWGKTA/XL) Don Trip & Starlito Step Brothers (No label) Waka Flocka Flame Duflocka Rant (No label)
― Number None, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
haha i find it hard to believe ppl are actually repping for 'respect da bitch'. do i need to listen to it again?
'house party' is fucking amazing
who is writing the wire's hip-hop column now? still noz?
― gucc_ebooks (tpp), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, didn't know he was a fan of "Niggas in Paris" tho
― Number None, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Wednesday, December 7, 2011 4:38 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Wednesday, December 7, 2011 4:41 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
90% of what you just said has nothing to do w/ vocal timbre, i'm not 'ascribing stupidity' to you if you want to keep changing the subject and ignoring what i'm actually saying
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
even i'm a fan of "niggas in paris" even though kanye needs to be REMOVED from it badly
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.highsnobiety.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/kanye-west-entourage-fashion-week-paris.jpg
never forget goin gorillas
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
hey smartass how is accusing me of differentiating rappers based on headgear not accusing me of superficial stupidity?
and yes i specifically addressed vocal tone in what i just said, about how they use their voices?
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
(youtube clip)
― good webinar (ha ha I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
like, what post of mine is this even referring to? 'such distinct categories'??
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
before it was "distortions," now it's "accusations," you're really just incapable of shooting the shit about music without sounding like a politician on the defensive dude
― Mr. Stevenson #2, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
if you stop trying to argue with strawmen it would be a lot easier to not be defensive about it
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
it was a humorous exaggeration, not an actual serious allegation that you judge rappers by their mystical hats as you do with jazz musicians
― Mr. Stevenson #2, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
you're exaggerating a position i dont even hold
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
anyway all i meant by the k'naan thing was that kendrick lamar seems like the kind of rapper i might enjoy if his voice had the slightest bit of gravitas, i'm sorry if that's just a bizarre thing to say but i'm just giving a first impression and not digging my heels in or anything
― Mr. Stevenson #2, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
thats fine, i don't even love the kendrick record like that, it just seemed like an overly harsh judgement considering
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
― Number None, Wednesday, December 7, 2011 5:26 PM (34 minutes ago)
-______-
is this going to do well in the ilm poll?
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
nothing is good about that song
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
every time deej says "cray" i shudder
― Mr. Stevenson #2, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
*ducks in*
BAH SO HAHD
*ducks out*
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
jay's verse on that is awesome -- really shoulda been a solo record
i missed duflocka rant, is it actually that good?
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
if "single ladies" is the aural equivalent of trya.gif, "niggas in paris" is the aural equivalent ofhttp://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/rap_roller.jpg
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
"diva" is the one that's the aural tyra.gif!
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
you do need the t.i. verse on "niggas in paris"
right right
point stands
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
― k3vin k., Wednesday, December 7, 2011 3:41 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink
lil b spits very real shit at times
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, kick kanye off, make it a t.i./jay song and that's top 10 singles of the year
― k3vin k., Wednesday, December 7, 2011 6:07 PM (2 minutes ago)
even if you somehow like that goofy ass bad rapping song, someone man up and tell me this post isn't objectively otm
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
oh also put a good beat and chorus on it (xpost)
― Mr. Stevenson #2, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
my man
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
that's a great beat
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 23:12 (twelve years ago) link