OCCUPY SANDBOX

ha mike just got arrested ~again~

can't be stopped can't be tamed

Hoos, just remember that most americans's would subscribe to the observation of Sam Rayburn: "any jackass can kick a barn down, but it takes a carpenter to build one."

You have to offer something constructive, other than anger and wilding around in the streets or most of america will tune you out.

what, they built a barn like yesterday

Yeah, get busy with that.

OccupySF now basically defunct btw. police raided it this morning after the camp couldn't agree on whether to move to a different location in the Mission that the mayor had offered. Cops complained that the people they had been dealing with were no longer in the camp and that the camp was now mostly homeless people.

sounds like occupysf should just change its name to 'sf'

k st, renowned for its swiftly-moving afternoon traffic

― screwy lobsters and mice blights (govern yourself accordingly), Wednesday, December 7, 2011 1:55 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

Dozens of commuter bus routes use K St. as a major part of their downtown drop-off route. I take a bus that picks up from K. St on Tuesdays and Thursdays. I leave early on those days to pick up my kids from my wife who is in community college. I don't work for a lobbying firm.

There's this obvious temptation for the ows to devolve into playing cat-and-mouse games with the cops, as if tweaking the cops's noses will somehow translate as sticking it to the oppressors. But for those standing outside the hijinks, they look like foolish games, not polticial acts, because the cops are mostly irrelevant to the most basic concerns of the 99%.

^^^

old ppl itt

Lots of people who ride into DC work for non-profits and government agencies and even like, construction jobs and shit. Some people start work at 6 in the morning and get off at 2. Disrupting traffic is really lame.

xp otm

Gotta agree here. Although personally I could care less about blocking traffic, it just never seems to play out well in the media. It's not tactically astute.

You have to offer something constructive, other than anger and wilding around in the streets or most of america will tune you out.

― Aimless, Wednesday, December 7, 2011 2:23 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

agree completely--that's why i'm part of the outreach committee that's working with established dc activist & community service groups to build their capacity with our personpower, and why i've volunteered hours of my time in our kitchen feeding the homeless from franklin square, and why i work to organize teach-ins on people's rights.

the strength of direct action is that the activity is metaphor for the message, and that reporting the activity itself makes the message inescapable: occupy k street, home of the lobbying pipeline that transfers money from wall street into the coffers of our legislators. it shouldn't be all we do, and it isn't, but it ~is~ what gets cameras on us despite my best efforts to get them into our other initiatives.

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yeah, i'm old. check back with me in about 20 years iatee and tell me what you accomplished with ows and how you feel baout it then. as soon as ows starts to look like boys pursuing fun and games through lawbreaking, you've lost and you may as well pull up stakes and go live at home with your parents.

keep up the great job you're doing, hoos. thx. i appreciate how you insert your good sense into your actions.

xxp- hoos just admit once and for all that this is nothing but a matter of yr personal vendetta against the 16Y

One of my uncles was a Brown Beret when he was my age, and my mom (visiting this week) told me that he's been calling her excitedly all the time "living vicariously through your posts on Facebook." Said Uncle has always been one of my heroes, and it basically made my heart blow up to hear this.

getting - and keeping - media attention is difficult and old ppl progressives on the internet (including basically everyone on ilx except morbs) were pretty cynical about early OWS methods and the people involved. I'm not gonna defend every single way people go about this and I don't think I need to (tho blocking traffic is an inherent good regardless).

posts very much in character

I like this new crankier iatee.

iatee, clue me in when you have some kids that you have to pick up and I'll stop by and tie your shoelaces in a knot.

thanks guys I'm taking notes for the GA: "make sure the revolution inconveniences nobody, ever"

I must assume you were distracted and not paying attention. Luckily, we wrote it all down for you.

thanks I will help you open up ms word later

blocking traffic is an inherent good?

really?

remember who you're talking to

I just usually think of things like "people not getting killed" or "people getting fed" or "people having a job" as being inherent goods, was not aware of the dastardly evil that is moving from one place to another on a public thoroughfare.

again, remember who you're talking to

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/rudy4.jpg

wtf iatee, get outta your bubble. Inconveniencing struggling single parents who happen to depend on cars will not help your media image.

you heard em hoos, let the struggling single parents through

take the Metro, have fewer kids.

sarcasm won't help your image either xp

sarcasm is an inherent good regardless

^ posts very much in character

I tend to think of it more as a service

Morbs I agree with u but telling that to someone who already lives in the wrong (car-dependent) place with two kids and an underwater mortgage is not exactly a selling point.

sell the extra kid to Newt Gingrich, he'll find a job for him

not if he's brown-skinned.

ha

Morbs I agree with u but telling that to someone who already lives in the wrong (car-dependent) place with two kids and an underwater mortgage is not exactly a selling point.

do you honestly think this is a good description of the average person in a car on k-street

no, bur it is a good description of the several irl people I have seen alienated from protest movements b/c of poorly-conceived tactics like randomly blocking public traffic.

not that I agree w/ those people writing off a whole movement based on isolated tactics or whatever, but based on my experience blocking traffic (in specific) seems to be very alienating to friends of mine who don't share my radical views.

breaking windows, that's a bit more of a tossup. people go either way.

that's interesting.

break my window and I'll run you over with my V8 engine SUV.

ON MY WAY TO PICK UP MY KIDS ABLOO ABLOO ABLOO

a broad cross-section ofc people utilize the k st. corridor on the daily. i mean, there are bad people who work there doing awful things to america, but it's not the lexis parade of sneering powerlords that you're imagining iateedawg.

Though for the record I spent a Friday afternoon rush hour noting cars & there was a preposterously high number of Jaguars & Beamers.

Every time I see this thread, I think of my cats