J.R. Smith has literally been shanghaied away for the foreshortened 2011-2012 NBA season: rolling ILH sandbox thread

and there's a bidding process for who can sign jefferson (i.e., he isn't a total free agent).

it doesn't count at all against cap or luxury tax iirc

The Spurs watch every penny. Small market, you know.

they're aggressively pursuing caron butler.

lol caron butler is not better than richard jefferson particularly

true, but apparently he's their target.

maybe they think jefferson has nothing left?

there was a big drop-off in r-jeff last year, caron butler we don't know cuz he was injured

I wld probably draft tough juice over jefferson right now tho

carons big drop off was like two years ago!

but maybe he plays more spurs type ball idk recall jefferson wasnt really a good fit as far as what they wanted him to do catch and shoot corner 3s etc

BREAKING NEWS: we aren't signing anybody.

not even kwame brown. it's sad we wanted kwame.

drop-off, or just moving to a team that wasn't the shittiest team in the league

we've gotten better!

drop-off, or just moving to a team that wasn't the shittiest team in the league

― The Love Song of L. Alfred Sotosyn (dayo), Wednesday, December 7, 2011 2:05 PM (7 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

looking at them his numbers are p consistant over his half season in washington and the second half of the season in dallas the year he got traded so id say theres a good chance the decline is on him

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1705/caron-butler

+ Volume scorer who likes to take line-drive, midrange jump shots.

+ Good build and can score in traffic. Quick release. Doesn't see floor.

+ Good hands on defense but middling effort. Uninspired team defender.

I had felt Butler's volume shooting style was a deterrent to Dallas offensively because it subtracted touches from more efficient players; that Dallas replaced him after his injury with three players (Peja Stojakovic, J.J. Barea and DeShawn Stevenson) who shot far less but with a greater true shooting percentage dovetailed nicely with my theory.

Nonetheless, Dallas played extremely well for the 28 full games Butler was around. He averaged a point every two minutes and showed, at the very least, that his scoring could be an effective weapon on the right team. The rest of his sheet was largely empty, however. Butler had an unusually high turnover rate for a jump shooter and rarely set up teammates (he was 60th among small forwards in assist rate). His main feat was shooting 45.3 percent on long 2s -- a shot he took, on average, once every five minutes.

Butler's defensive reputation is poor, but it appeared he tried harder in Dallas than he did in Washington. His stats in a limited sample of games last season were very strong -- an opponent PER of 10.5, one of the highest ratings among small forwards by Synergy, and a 5.3 points per 100 possessions differential. Given his unimpressive results in Washington, that's likely just a small-sample outlier, but we should keep an open mind if the same data crops up again this season. That will be more difficult, alas, as Butler tries to recover from a serious knee injury. As a jump shooter, his offense might not suffer too much, but it might be increasingly difficult for a 31-year-old with a bad wheel to defend the position.

omg i finally got the hello this is ball photo

supposedly the clippers are after caron butler too.. not sure he's the SF they're looking for but they had a mediocrity parade take the position last year.. lookin at you gomes.

this is bulls--t i demand to know where the following players will sign:

• nene nooneknowshissurname
• samuel atepizzaeverymealduringlockout dalembert
• tyson hesobvresigningwithdallas chandler
• kwame lol brown

they are signing w REAL MADRID

hm. that team is gonna be awesome.

but you're wrong houston's going to sign one of these guys and be the world champions.

ambivalent about possible caron-to-spurs rumors...apparently we talking to david west too, probably would have to be sign and trade

read something saying the heat are talking about a david west sign-and-trade, which made me wonder "with what"? got to be riley dangling haslem in trade (and i very much doubt we're trading udonis, unless it's part of a package for, say, nene).

BTW, i'm convinced we're not getting anybody (not that this is a problem, obv., but we just have nothing to spend).

that would make no sense on just about every level

danny is going all out

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Boston's delivered New Orleans multiple 3-team trade scenarios for CP3, trying to find something acceptable to Hornets, sources tell Y!

if it's true that CP3 won't sign an extension with the celtics, why would they just "rent" him for a year? ainge is too smart for that, especially when he's giving up rondo in the trade.

heard someone say today that whoever gets paul will be a championship contender for the next 5 -- 7 years but i don't see him staying at his current level that long.

they should just rent him for a year. they only have a year.

IraHeatBeat Ira Winderman -- Hmmm, indeed? RT @ShaneBattier Hmmm, I may have some interesting news tomorrow. But I need a full nights sleep first..........good night!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wd love battier in SA, not gonna happen tho :(

actually, CAD, there's something more going on:

@DanielEade: I believe CP3 will end up in Boston, after today's revelations about the loophole in contract extensions in new CBA.

what's this loophole?

shocked that a deal hammered out in 19 hours has a loophole

i'm not surprised about that, either, but (a) there were other loopholes, which the NBA acted quickly to close as soon as they were exposed and (b) what is this loophole, assuming it exists?

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but they both would be required to return to denver, right?

Powell2daPeople Shaun Powell -- Larry Bird is trying to talk Nene into accepting slightly lower money so the Pacers can chase other free agents

but they both would be required to return to denver, right?

― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:53 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

well, smith and i believe chandler (or is it martin?) are FAs...

C's should totally rent CP3. Only players under contract next year are Avery Bradley and Paul Pierce. If he resigns, you can get another max dude under the cap (Dwight? I can dream); if he doesn't, you get to build a whole new team anyways.

Alex Kennedy: After using the amnesty clause on Richard Jefferson, don't be surprised if the Spurs sign Shane Battier. There's mutual interest. about 27 minutes ago

:O

spurs also picking up TJ ford for vet's min, not a bad pickup to back parker. just as long as he never shoots 3s.

srsly praying to hoops jesus for shane battier

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/12/07/chris-paul-extension/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2

Chris Paul will not commit to signing a contract extension after this season with either the Golden State Warriors or Los Angeles Clippers if he is traded to either team by the New Orleans Hornets, citing the potential financial hit if he were to do that rather than becoming a free agent and signing a new deal with a new team next summer, according to league sources. That has left potential deals with both teams in limbo

right, but it would be the same thing as the d will situation right? if either of those teams traded for him they'd be able to offer him substantially more money than any other team? i guess they'd have to assume the risk that he walks away from 20+ m

http://i.imgur.com/hGzc7.png

interestingish rule tweaks http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7329584/nba-alters-emphasis-shooting-fouls-2011-12

bucher: Hearing that Shane Battier is bound for the Miami Heat. Not strong enough to write a news story but no league talk of him going elsewhere.

whoa

"Rip-through" moves, in which an offensive player swings the ball into a defender's outstretched arm and then attempts a shot once he has created contact, will be considered non-shooting fouls if the contact begins before the offensive player starts his shooting motion.

Also, on drives to the basket, a shooting foul will be called only if contact occurs after the offensive player has begun his shooting motion, not after he has initiated his leap toward the basket.

lame

The league will also make traveling in the post and on the perimeter a point of emphasis, with a player hopping off of and landing on the same foot viewed as an automatic violation.

uh

Referees also will be hyper-vigilant about defenders making contact with offensive players when they're in the air and fully extended attempting to score. In most cases, expect that kind of foul to draw a Flagrant Level 2, which is two free throws, possession of the ball and the defender being ejected.

"That type of contact was a trend last season and it's really dangerous," Jackson said.

huh?

wade at the 2, battier at 3, bron at 4 is a p interesting lineup

rip bosh

oh yeah that guy I guess he's the center but that's not interesting