I AM SPEECHLESS WITH RAGE (2012 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees)

super awesome that the Small Faces/Faces are making it

Yeah, I'm not sure what I was thinking. I remember them being a notable omission for awhile though.

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I love that they waited til after Kirshner died to honor him.

Kiss is another glaring ommission.

"Kiss is not a great band, Kiss was never a great band, Kiss never will be a great band, and I have done my share to keep them off the ballot." -- Dave Marsh

dave marsh otm

"the red hot chili peppers, on the other hand..."

pointing out that the HOF (or 'rock' itself as a cultural institution) privileges white people seems almost too obvious to talk about but in a year where two of the big inductees are the Beastie Boys and the Red Hot Chili Peppers it probably is a good time to force the issue (xpost

Yeah, but see, I think Kiss is actually like the perfect band for that circus anyway. Seriously though, they were hugely influential and even though I think their music was mediocre at best, I can get behind them deserving to be in there for their cultural legacy.

is Rush THE most canonical '70s AOR classic rock band that hasn't been inducted? there's gotta be others, right?

Kiss
Cheap Trick
Deep Purple
Steve Miller Band
Guess Who
REO Speedwagon
Badfinger
Bad Company
Foreigner
Journey

(Last two arguably better described as '80s bands.)

Exactly, those two bands getting in are why it makes it harder for me to swallow the Eric B & Rakim and Chic snubs.

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I feel like Chic will eventually get Ron Santo'd in. Hopefully Nile Rodgers doesn't have to die first.

But maybe Jann Wenner does.

Rush seems more objectively likely and/or 'deserving' of induction than pretty much everyone on jaymc's (very helpful!) list, except maaaaybe Steve Miller and Deep Purple?

You'd think that even the HOF can justify its aversion to disco and black artists by including Chic; Nile Rodgers has produced half of the artists in the room or nominated.

guys the HOF is a joke!

"the red hot chili peppers, on the other hand..."

Exactly. Then again, either Dave doesn't have veto power, or he was way outvoted. I can't imagine for the life of me that he would argue RHCP (whom he hasn't expressed much of an interest in) should get in over Chic (whom he loves).

Also, if Dave had that much sway, the MC5 would've gotten in years ago.

woah i didn't know Deep Purple wasn't in! crazy!

been listening to Made in Japan lately goddamn those dudes brought it live.

Rush seems more objectively likely and/or 'deserving' of induction than pretty much everyone on jaymc's (very helpful!) list, except maaaaybe Steve Miller and Deep Purple?

Problem is, Miles Davis' ghost is on the nominating committee. And no way is Miles gonna let that sorry-ass non-playing motherfucker Steve Miller in.

Isn't Steve Miller Band's Greatest Hits still the biggest selling catalogue release of all time? I know it was at some point several years ago. Throw 'em a bone, I guess.

I'm still in a fiery rage about Donna Summer being excluded AGAIN.

Rush seems more objectively likely and/or 'deserving' of induction than pretty much everyone on jaymc's (very helpful!) list, except maaaaybe Steve Miller and Deep Purple?

Yeah, that was just a bunch of names I culled from a work-related spreadsheet. I agree with you, although I would also add Kiss.

Other 70s non-inductees (all 60s rooted):

Nilsson (if Nyro can...)
Grand Funk
Captain Beefheart (if the V.U. & Zappa can...)
Boz Scaggs

I actually thought Beefheart would get the "He's dead? Well, why didn't you say so!" nod this year.

Oh yeah, Grand Funk should've been on my list -- not that I think they deserve induction, but just as part of a catalog of big '70s AOR bands not in the HOF.

Scaggs is a big omission – and he was in the Steve Miller band.

loooool tarfumes

steve miller isn't really that great, why should he be in the hall of fame?

statistically steve miller was in the top 10 in value over replacement guitarist for most of his career

stevermetrics

seriously anyone who gets mad about HOF inductees without consulting the VORG tables is just wasting our time

tbf the people getting angry are Rush and Cure fans

imagine the heartbreak of being a fan of both!

the complex misery of the prog goth

it's like getting your face slapped by an ugly preppy girl in a standard 4/4 rhythm

^^New board description?

ELO's not in either, unless I missed them scanning the list.

it's like getting your face slapped by an ugly preppy girl in a standard 4/4 rhythm

Isn't this Ariel Pink's appeal?

Beastie Boys are an obvious choice, the Red Hot Chili Peppers are of course absurd (not that I completely hate them, and they got better beginning with "Under the Bridge"). I forget who else was up.

BB and RHCP are on pretty equal footing in almost every way imo

lol, RCHP started sucking when they started getting mainstream attention, got briefly better when they went totally mainstream, then settled directly into a comfortable groove of "just bearable enough to sell tons of records" with periodic lapses into "fucking hell no"

I never paid enough attention to them to know the intricacies of their career, but they were better the more melodic they got; the earlier stuff I'd heard--"white dopes on punk" was how Frank Kogan described "Give It Away"--seemed so corny to me.

uh

you know that "Give It Away" and "Under the Bridge" came out at the same time on the same album, which was their 5th, right

because your posts here make it seem like you are putting "Give It Away" into a much earlier bucket than "Under The Bridge"

also their first three albums are the best of their career followed by BSSM; the rest range from tolerable to wholly unforgivable to the point where someone should travel back in time and beat the shit out of the band before they could get into the studio and unleash this aural shitheap upon a world that deserves better

Red Hot Chili Peppers ahead of Chic and Donna Summer is beyond bizarre even for the Hall of Fame. I registered only to express how disturbed I am.

I did know they were on the same album, yes; they miraculously transformed from cliches to sort-of-okay between songs six and seven...I'm not the person to start analyzing the evolution of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Just making a general point from a non-fan's point of view: putting them in the HOF is silly.

I get kind of I WAS THERE about RHCP because my older brother was buying their albums as they came out and I'd never heard anything like them; the whole thing of skate punks really, really into/influenced by funk bands was really appealing.

No problem, there probably is an age thing here. If I'd been a few years younger when they came along--early '20s, say, instead of late '20s--there's a chance I would have liked them better. (Although funk in general is something I don't often respond to.)

kiedis is definitely in the running for worst male rock vocalist of all time.

yeah it was definitely better when he didn't sing so much, considering that he can't really sing

whereas he was one of the finest MCs of the 1980s

(Although funk in general is something I don't often respond to.)

Not to worry; as soon as ham-fisted Chad Smith joined, RHCP have been about as funky as a faded L.L. Bean catalog.

Yeah, and I thought for some reason that T. Rex was in, too.

Putting aside all the obvious problems with the HOF--pretending for a minute that all the inductees were well chosen--I always figured an American-voted HOF and a British-voted HOF wouldn't be identical. People who'd be in the latter but not the former might include T. Rex, Joy Division, the Jam, Nick Drake, etc. (The Jefferson Airplane would be a counter-example.)

not mentioned in this thread: The Spinners and The Stylistics

Seriously Link Wray not being already in the HOF is crazy.

HALL SO RONG

THAT'S LINK WRAY

THAT'S LINK WRAY

...THAT'S LINK WRAY

not mentioned in this thread: The Spinners and The Stylistics

The Spinners were at least nominated; the Stylistics never even got that far.

Moody Blues, anyone?

The Replacements, Motörhead, Roxy Music, Can, Big Star, Cheap Trick, Peter Gabriel, New Order, Joy Division, Gram Parsons, Kraftwerk, The Flaming Lips, Randy Newman, Heart, T. Rex, Stevie Ray Vaughan, The Smiths

I'm amazed that the above got overlooked for Laura Nyro. If I hadn't read a biography of David Geffen, I would've never heard of Laura Nyro. I couldn't say the same for the rest.

I always get Laura Nyro confused with Rykodisc.

Also, Alan Alda or Aldo Nova.

Alan Thicke or Robin Thicke

Possibly with Christgau's reviews lodged in the back of my mind, I assumed for years that I wouldn't care for Laura Nyro. (As a singer--"Wedding Bell Blues" I've loved forever.) But I quite like Gonna Take a Miracle, which I finally got a few years ago; recently bought Nested at a radio-station sale, and that's good too. I think it's exaggeration to put her in the HOF, but I like those two albums much more than I ever thought I would.

Christmas and the Beads of Sweat is an alltime album for me, but it is hard to argue that Laura Nyro's importance exceeds that of Link Wray, Roxy Music, Deep Purple, etc. etc.

For decades she had to deal with the stigma of having been booed at Monterey Pop, despite the fact that she wasn't. No one knows where this myth started, but it stuck with her even years after her death.

Will Roxy Music ever get in? I know they're not as innovative and influential as the RHCP...(eye roll)

At this rate Duran Duran will get in before either Chic or Roxy.

Rob Sheffield is at Rolling Stone...

The Bee Gees got in before the Spinners, so yeah, it's a safe (and fucking depressing) assumption that Duran Duran will get in before Chic.

there are analogies and there are just random names thrown around as if they have any concrete relationship to each othere