fuck a creationist

Wait, they just say this and then move on?

See, I told you in the previous FAQ there were dragons, there is no way that cannot have convinced you!

The largest dragon (i.e. dinosaur) eggs that we've found to date are about the size of a football. One could fit, for example, a dozen brachiosaurus eggs in the trunk of a car, with room to spare! This also means that recently hatched dragons were not very large. Noah's mission was to preserve each kind of animal. You don't need to find the biggest of each kind. And you don't need each sub-divided species either. Did you know that most modern dog breeds are less than 100 years old? 2 healthy young mutts could preserve the genome of the entire "dog kind" of animals. The Bible uses the word "kind" for the different types of life forms. Horses and zebras can (and have) physically mated producing viable offspring; so have tigers and lions, indicating that they (according to creation theory) probably respectively diverged from the same original stock. Dogs and wolves (though considered quite different by humans today) probably originated from their same "kind" too. There are a few large animals (when fully grown) of course: giraffes, elephants, and T-rexes among them. But the average animal size is about sheep size, i.e. the 3-story Ark was plenty large enough to handle the variety of animal kinds plus lots of food for them. Speciation could descend again from original healthy "mutt" stock to start with. Thinking scientifically about this, it shows incredible variable design, huh?

Dinosaur Adventure Land started as a dream of Dr. Kent Hovind's. Tired of the constant propaganda being spread about evolution through nearly all public state-funded science centers and museums, as though it is a fact, Dr. Hovind decided that it was time to start a Creation Museum, Science Center, and Theme Park that glorified God. Dinosaur Adventure Land opened its doors in October of 2001 bringing in over 4,000 visitors that year. The next year the number of visitors grew to over 10,000 visitors, and then 13,000, and finally in 2004 there were over 17,000 visitors that had toured the park. Dinosaur Adventure Land offers over 80 Activities with both scientific and spiritual lessons.

Our goal is for your visit to leave you tired, smarter and closer to the Lord. There are activities for all ages from 2 to 92. There is a 3 story hands-on Science center in the middle of the park with tons of activities that will keep you busy all day long. The Creation Museum has hundreds of amazing artifacts, that show evidence for creation. Such as, the Ica stones from Peru, showing pictures of men and dinosaurs on them. As well as, a fossilized pickle, charcoal, coconut, and crayon proving that it does not take millions of years to form fossils. About 250 people have their birthdays at Dinosaur Adventure Land each year. You can schedule your next birthday party at Dinosaur Adventure Land, by contacting the bookstore.

Visit Dinosaur Adventure Land online to learn more about our amazing Science Center, Museum, and Theme Park. Play games online and view our gallery of images!

You never even looked in the bottom of that Ark! Have you looked down there? No? Who's gonna clean up that mess down there? That's me! I tell you I've had enough of this stuff. I tell you what I'm gonna do: I'm letting all these animals out, and I'm gonna burn down this Ark, and I'm going to Florida somewhere...

xp: didn't Dinosaur Adventure Land lose its funding or something? One of those fundie young earth creationist parks went under, i think.

fun fact: 'dr' dino got his phd in christian science from a non-accredited christian university

The resulting "super-cold snow" fell near the poles, burying the Mammoths standing up. Ice on the North and South pole cracked the crust of the earth releasing the fountains of the deep, which in turn caused certain ice age effects, namely the glacier effects. Also this made "the earth wobble around for a few thousand years" and it made the canopy collapse that used to protect the earth and opened up the fountains of the deep.

During the first few months of the flood, the dead animals and plants got buried, and became coal if they were plants and oil if they were animals. The last few months of the flood included geological instability, when the plates shifted. This period saw the formation of both ocean basins and mountain ranges and the resulting water run-off caused incredible erosion — Hovind claims that the Grand Canyon was formed in a couple of weeks during this time. After a few hundred years, the ice caps slowly melted back retreating to their current size and the ocean levels increased, creating the continental shelves. The deeper oceans absorbed much of the carbon dioxide in earth’s atmosphere and thus allowed greater amounts of radiation to reach the earth's surface. As a result, human lifespans were shortened considerably in the days of Peleg.

There are scenes of natives adorned with robes and high crowns, similar to the Incas, performing medical procedures on patients. Several depict heart and brain transplants.

The stones are clearly carved depicting people riding dinosaurs and flying reptiles.

There are stones with genetic codes, and the prolongation of life. Blood vessels are shown being reconnected via re-absorption tubes utilizing the natural regeneration of cells.

There are carvings of a cesarean section with acupuncture as a form of anesthesia.

There are telescopes and ancient maps and star maps.

There is a series of four stones show the hemispheres of Earth pointing to the existence of unknown continent's that today remains a part of our collective myth.

God does not believe in atheists
His presence from creation is quite clear
God does not believe in atheists
It takes a fool to tell him he's not here

God believes atheists can get born again
And become a new creation,
But they'd best admit the world around them first
And ask for their salvation
But to only cry, "Recycle!" is the worst

God believes atheists do have certain rights
To seek and search the scriptures
It says, "Come now, let us reason" that's for them
But it doesn't give them reason to
Make up what God is saying
Until it's no true benefit to them

Blee dop, sklee dop, sklee dilly dilly
Bah donna bee on a Saturday night
If that sounded like nonsense to you too,
Those schools have got some books for you

I guess the non-bald Chick dude considers cancer an evolutionary advancement?

This is such terrific reading, for, well, two main reasons: (a) unlike illiterate 16th-century farmers, the scientific visionaries who put this together seriously don't know that equine hybrids are always sterile; plus (b) their grand theory to replace evolution winds up arguing that ... seemingly different species could "respectively diverge from the same original stock?" I mean, seriously:

Dogs humans and wolves apes (though considered quite different by humans today) probably originated from their same "kind" too.

(Also funny: they evidently reject everything science has allowed us to figure out about dinosaur bones except that they were reptilian? I mean, hell, once you're throwing everything else out the window, who's to say they didn't have feathers? Which: Francine is a bird who wants to be a dinosaur and then learns a little secret about herself: I could totally imagine an ugly-duckling kind of thing where someone's like "hey, you're more highly evolved and your species will be around longer, don't sweat it.")

Ethan, have any of the callers gone on about "indoctrination"?

Humans and apes diverging from a common ancestor over millions and millions and millions of years: RIDICULOUS, DO I LOOK LIKE A MONKEY?

yes, except for when it serves their purposes to think that they aren't. fundamentalism as a freaked-out response to (some aspects of) modernity that is completely enabled by and dependent on (other aspects of) modernity is very very similar across the Christian/Muslim divide. I think there just are many similarites between Christianity and Islam anyway, but in response to Karen Armstrong's read on world religions, I think many of them, even if they are available to metaphorical readings, could become fundamentalized, given the state of the world. There are Christians who read the Bible metaphorically, after all.

I'm really sorry you're dealing with this, and what, but we're all going to have to deal with it eventually.

Is that a ginormous "DUH"? Obviously, yes, the line for the pains and pressures of the real world forms to the right, please take your places. But when you've staked your life or sanity on it, well...that's big.

xp yeah, laurel

EWWW! Dragonlance, how tacky! But considering how many ex-fundies I knew from college who'd point to all manner of things with some kinda loose connection to swords 'n' sorcery (sci-fi/D&D/ren fest/creative anachronisms/Norse and Celtic mythology/prog rock) as the stuff that kinda put them on the path to a vision more secular, I think the D&Dishness of this stuff carries within it -- maybe -- something potentially transformative and redeeming.

On the other hand, I've also noticed that Norse & Celtic mythology is really popular with amongst the bathsit racist set, so I may be indulging in wishful thinking.

I always think of it as: if religion is there to shore us up against the idea that the universe is a cold, value-neutral place, then science seems very threatening. Deeply frightening, even. Because the universe is a cold, value-neutral place. This tug of war has always been going on in one way or another. Galileo, etc.

* Batshit (likely)
* Bathist (unlikely but fascinating!)
* Bathist (literal reading, ie "partial to baths")

right, and this board has more than a few of 'em.

This seems really obvious to say, but it seems that a lot of emphasis needs to be on the psychology of these folks. There's a certain mindset that so cannot handle ambivalence of any sort, or any questioning, or any insecurity, that all things must be literal and straightforward. This shit is scary to some folks, so they have to cling to something. We've talked about this on other threads, too, like the one i did about authoritarian societies. The Bible must be read as literally true, even if it's been (mis)translated over the course of several languages, even if the first and second chapters of Genesis has differing versions of Creation, etc etc etc.

I suspect that somebody like Tep has a fair amount to say on this, but he tends to avoid these threads.

(I wonder how the Museum of Natural History deals with this sort of thing -- bet they have a script all laid out already for callers.)

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Christian Creationism is controlled by those who are doctrinally wedded to Zionist Dispensational goals. This marriage has blinded the Creationist leadership to the fact that both the Zionist and the Dispensational concepts come from that same 13th century anti-Christ Kabbalist source as did Relativism, Big Bangism, and the Expanding Universe concepts. Add it up!

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