2012 GOP Presidential Campaign -- "This individual's going to accuse me of an affair for an extended period of time."

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Cuz most of us are in these threads?

Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link

well morbs isn't a crypto racist so there's that

river wolf, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

The Gipper could smile and tell an anecdote all while his administration was up to no end of mayhem. Newt actually likes being the smartaleck dick.

I think Newt plays to the image of himself as the smart-aleck though. He does it with a wink that signals to his base, "Just watch - this'll really piss them off." (It doesn't need to be said that "them" is the elite liberal media.) So he can get away with saying things that would sound harsh or cruel coming from someone else.

o. nate, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

but the base doesn't mind if he sounds harsh or cruel! You're right though.

Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

i am still clinging to the notion that newt's erratic assholishness and lack of organization will ruin him and romney's immense amount of money, inside support, and robot will to be a perfect candidate will last through all of it.

but the crazy surge this close to a primary is pretty wild i must say. he could fuck it up in a month, sure.

maybe there's some kind of "crazy shit bradley effect" where GOP caucus-goers talk winger game to pollsters but won't want to go all-out on the day of.

slandblox goole, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link

base loves harsh/cruel. independents/"swing voters" do not. ergo Newt is doomed.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link

the other problem is that Newt can ONLY play harsh/cruel. unlike Dubya, who could muster tearful repentance, macho bluster, and simple-minded sympathy in equal measure, Newt only has one setting: scorn.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, that recent softspoken "morning in america" commercial of his is so hysterically out of character

William (C), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link

and there's the other major problem with Gingrich, money

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

nlike Dubya, who could muster tearful repentance, macho bluster, and simple-minded sympathy in equal measure

You sure you don't mean Rod Steiger?

Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

little known fact: Dubya travelled back in time to play the role of Jud in the screen adaptation of Oklahoma!

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

Looks like this was discussed upthread, but I don't get Pelosi's logic--why sabotage the guy you want to win? Unless, as some of you suggested, she thinks this will rally Republicans around Gingrich.

clemenza, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

she probably isn't playing three-dimensional chess and enjoyed the opportunity to lol at gingrich

Mordy, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

I wish somebody would start a game of three-dimensional chess with Perry. I think that would be fun.

clemenza, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

why sabotage the guy you want to win? Unless, as some of you suggested, she thinks this will rally Republicans around Gingrich.

Dems don't have a lot of muscle to flex in GOP primaries. this won't sabotage him. it will have the simultaneous effects of a) probably motivating the base (who hates Pelosi) and will see any attacks from her as vindication of Newt's threat and b) it will act as a harbinger of things to come for independents/swing voters who may only be starting to pay attention to Gingrich. win/win for the Dems.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link

let's keep in mind that like .01% of the american voting population are aware that this event happened

iatee, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link

That's like four-dimensional chess...I'm two dimensions behind, but I like it. (xpost)

clemenza, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link

Hooray! Wait...:

"A lot of people agree with me and find it amazing," Trump said of the eligibility controversy. "It's miraculous how this birth certificate just appeared."

He said many people have questioned the birth certificate's authenticity.

"It's strange that after years all of a sudden it appears," Trump mused. "How come there are no records his mother ever was in the hospital?"

He noted there are records of other births in the Hawaii hospital at the time.

"There's no record of Obama or his mother," he said.

Trump added that members of Obama's own family have pointed to different hospitals in Hawaii as being his birth location, and his grandmother reportedly made statements linking his birth to Kenya.

"I have real questions (about Obama's eligibility)," he said.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link

I think it might just mean that in the end the base will be depressed. They'll end up with Mittens after all the others have flamed out and all their enthusiasm has been spent

M. White, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:04 (twelve years ago) link

Huntsman walks back climate change stance. that's cute... he thinks he's going to get to go to the ball when Newt shits the bed

(will), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link

(and hell he just might. so that'll show me)

(will), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link

eh I can imagine that newt is seen as 'the brains' by some people, and he definitely does his best to promote that image. he drops big words, references history pretty often, etc. etc.

He even has a bona fide Ph.D.!

dyao think i'm sexy (jaymc), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

it's not inconceivable w/ the dynamics of this race. I mean I don't expect him to get the nom, but if you woulda asked any of us "will cain or gingrich at any point be the frontrunners" some months ago, we woulda laughed. he's trending up on intrade, at 8% atm.

iatee, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

xp

iatee, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

Looks like this was discussed upthread, but I don't get Pelosi's logic--why sabotage the guy you want to win? Unless, as some of you suggested, she thinks this will rally Republicans around Gingrich.

Remember when the GOP fervently prayed that Dean would be the nominee around this time in 2003?

Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link

egged on by trump, gingrich will spout something so outrageous that his frontrunner status gets sabotaged. if this debate acutally takes place.

the deli llama, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

― the deli llama,

lol @ yo name

big popppa hoy, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link

if this debate acutally takes place.

this debate will not take place.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link

yeah. it's really gingrich's "my dinner with donald" campaign event.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link

but i love the possibility that, if romney wins the nomination, trump will consider a third-party campaign.

can he have another book ready to promote by then?

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

wait, of course he can.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

he writes his books on the back of restaurant napkins.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

"book"

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

BOOK

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

it's amazing how there is such a concept as a "frontrunner" when nobody's voted, except with dollars

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link

i have voted w/ lols

big popppa hoy, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link

Romney's officially out of the Donald debate: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/12/06/us/politics/AP-US-Romney-Trump-Debate.html?hp

o. nate, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link

J Long
: 12/06/11 15:40

The point that some of y'all are missing w/ regard to what Walsh said (and by some of y'all...I mean the people who give credence to not attacking Obama personally) is that it is extremely hard to attack Obama without fully illuminating what exactly he is (an Alinsky disciple who has very different desires for America than our mostly conservative citizenry does). The GOP will have to attack him for the truth to get any traction because the media will suppress, deflect and attack any gently proffered information.

Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link

fuck u prettyboy jason long

Mordy, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

Justin* lol

Mordy, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

who?

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link

A sage.

Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link

it's amazing how there is such a concept as a "frontrunner" when nobody's voted, except with dollars

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, December 6, 2011 3:49 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

you're right, why won't they give gary johnson his time in the limelight?!?!?!?!?!

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link

This is good (from Salon):

Gingrich, who’d agree to sit down for a day-long “Lincoln-Douglas-style debate” with a Teddy Ruxpin doll, is selling himself as a candidate based in large part on his ability to talk. Republicans think Obama talked his way into the White House, mesmerizing voters with his fancy words and soothing tone. And certain conservatives are itching for Gingrich to face Obama in a talking contest. They think Gingrich would destroy him. And they base this impression on the sight of Gingrich dominating interviews with morons like Glenn Beck.

clemenza, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link

totally true about gingrich's appeal. but also the fact that gingrich seems to embody/channel right-wing anger in a way romney doesn't. romney says the right things, but that's not enough. the right is ANGRY. they want BLOOD.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link

Indies don't. I don't know what Dems want.

Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link

We want Newt!

clemenza, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

(Even if we're Canadian liberals.)

clemenza, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link


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