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Yeah, M@tt, don't leave. Most people here who've read "Kingdom Come" hate it (I certainly do), and Alex Ross isn't too popular either (although I think Dan Perry has had some good things to say about him), but ya know, consensus is boring! Stick around.

Daniel Reifferscheid (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Tuomas: I think the "disease" in Black Hole is a metaphor for sex itself, and the way it changes adolescents. (Parents are afraid of their kids getting it, it makes you different from the way you were before and moves you from one community into another, etc.) Note all the blatant sex-as-the-scary-unknown imagery in the book, from the slit in the frog's belly in the very first scene onwards.

Douglas Wolk (Douglas), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, but the kids didn't just move from one phase to another, they quite clearly moved from being part of the mainstream society to feeling estranged, living on the fringes, looked down upon by other folks (not just parents, but other teens as well). And the way I interpreted the ending is that the two main characters were slowly coming in terms with this estrangement. Sex-as-scary is definitely part of the story, but I felt Burns was aiming for something else too.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Oops, sorry Matt! I'm not a fan of Kingdom Come either, but mutual-comics-nerd-consensus is definitely boring.

If you like the writer, Mark Waid, though, you should really check out his new Legion stuff. It's much more fun, and just as "epic."

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

And Jay-Z likes Kingdom Come, too!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

My nerd penance is having to trudge a mile through a Canadian snow dump to buy 52 today.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

At least you know that you won't be doing so merely for a full-issue Steel fight.
Though maybe call ahead to see if the comics actually made it through the snow.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

it's all good chuck. i don't know much abt comics, but i like the ones i've read (watchmen, league of xtraordinary gents, and dark knight returns...and some punisher series that was really violent and kinda silly in a good way)

M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Man I haven't been to the store in weeks.

JordanC (JordanC), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey Matt -

If you like Dark Knight Returns, I'd highly recommend looking into BATMAN: YEAR ONE, which is also by Frank Miller but with David Mazzuchelli (very elegant, with an extraordinary sense of design) on art. Some people (one of whom happens to be me) consider it a better story.

Richie Baez (Johnny Logic), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

A Canadian mile isn't that far! Even in snow!!

Donkey Kong New York (Lee), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

BATMAN: YEAR ONE... Some people (one of whom happens to be me) consider it a better story.

And me.


Chap (chap), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Richie's rec is a gd one, esp. as DC have just issued yet another paperback edition of Year One complete with Mazzuchelli thumbnails and Miller's script pages - it's like a little object lesson in how to read+make comics, v useful for the newcomer. The colouring by Richmond Lewis is as gd as it gets.

Mazzuchelli is an odd one - his late superhero comics are much more interesting than his subsequent 'art comix' series Rubber Blanket, which seemed a gratuitous pointless denial of the artist's phenom drawing/craft skillz

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Batman: Year One is positive vaudevillian.

GAWD the WonderCon programming schedule is UP but real ILC IS NOT for me to GEEK OUT!! T__T

Donkey Kong New York (Lee), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

...as I know people are just DYING to know which artists I'm going to terrorize for free sketches and exactly how I'm going to stalk BRAIN KAY VON this year, and how I can't go to the Friday BSG panel.

Donkey Kong New York (Lee), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Nice, an actual decent artist on 52 this week.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Meanwhile, in Dark Tower news:
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=20372

(Only vaguely comics related, but not really worth a thread in its own right)

Chap (chap), Thursday, 15 February 2007 02:04 (seventeen years ago) link

matt DO YOU KNOW that even though most of ilc hates KC that alot of it is actually becoming REAL LIFE DC CONTINUITY?!!?!?

chaki (chaki), Thursday, 15 February 2007 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

IT MIGHT NOT BE, tho.

And I doubt MATT wants to pay AT LEAST THIRTY BUCKS A MONTH to FIND OUT.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:10 (seventeen years ago) link

What are the actual hints so far (not counting Kingdom, right?)

- World War 3 promo image has Robin in Red Robin getup.
- collagetasm as a shock final page in er, I forget what.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

- shock final end to next Green Arrow as Ollie's arm falls off!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

- skintight costumes start to sag in a "realistic" fashion

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link

- Donna Troy starts looking like her from Strangers With Candy

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Note to self: visit George Perez site to scrub Huk-L's description of Secret Comic Wife from head.

scampering alpaca (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Leeeeee, if ILC isn't back, you have to post your sketches and recap your stalkery behavior here. Very enjoyable.

scampering alpaca (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

BATMAN #663 very, very, very good - and astonishingly so, considering the 1997 "rawk!!!" album artwork which plagues it (should undermine, but functions reasonably well for the purposes of illustration).

Richie Baez (Johnny Logic), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Really? I got scared and left it on the shelf, which is the first time I've done that for a GM comic in a while.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

The art kinda reminded me of that horrible computer-generated Batman comic from the early nineties. (Digital Justice?)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

uuughh they are dragging out this montoya is the new question shit

chaki (chaki), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm ignoring this Batman "booK" type bs.
Meanwhile hubba(2x) = http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Action/ActionPOwell.html

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm gonna guess that there aren't that many L@ur@ Hud$0ns from NYC that read comix, work @ a comic store & used to (still?) post to ILC. The reason I mention this is her blog (fwabow) just got mentioned on ZEE BEAT (slorp), so, um, yeah? Yeah.

And I second the Eric Powell hubbaing - even GJ @ his most corny headpunchiest couldn't screw this up (& don't prove me wrong, duder).

David RER (Frank Fiore), Friday, 16 February 2007 00:24 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG LOOK WHO'S LETTERING ARCHIE

SO WRONG

David RER (Frank Fiore), Friday, 16 February 2007 02:41 (seventeen years ago) link

The art reminded me of John Van Fleet, because it was! I wuv JVF, though I don't know if he's actually done anything since Shadows' Fall.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 16 February 2007 11:28 (seventeen years ago) link

You know, this might shock the one or two of you that actually read this book or care, but I don't think Ultimate Professor X is actually dead OMG! I think Kirkman's having the Prof pull that trick he did in the "real" X-books, where he pretended to die so he could prepare for the Z'Nox invasion! & maybe Magician is the Ultimate Mimic! Or something! Yeah! COMICS! BIG WHIFF ZOW!

David RER (Frank Fiore), Friday, 16 February 2007 13:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Also - if someone could inform Yanick Paquette that teenage women, on average, do not have DD breasts, that would be AWESOME, as it would make his rather swank Kevin Nowlan nods easier to enjoy.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Friday, 16 February 2007 14:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Why isn't Patrick Gleason drawing MORE comics?
MY SON IS A WILDCAT!
I just realized that Hannibal Tatu is really David Spade circa 1991.
AND I THOUGHT AQUAMAN SMELLED BAD ON THE OUTSIDE!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 16 February 2007 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link

ooh, good for laura! she's also writing occasionally for publishers weekly too, i understand? and working for virgin comics in some undisclosed position. but she doesn't post anymore.. maybe she lurks still?

i STILL haven't been to the comic book store in weeks. i should go today. maybe i will go RIGHT NOW. hrmr. i bet i've already missed a lot of titles fer goods. i hate it when this happens. no comic shop close to my house means i don't want to make a stop in the wet & cold between work/home.

also of possible interest, peter bagge drew this ad for the store i work at:
http://a960.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/1/l_e618959c5b46d2b82997bfbdc806f23f.jpg

ian (orion), Friday, 16 February 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow Ian, that is godhead.

Daniel Reifferscheid (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 16 February 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha - Huk, I was gonna ask you to 'splain what happened in GLC, because while it looked all cool & shit, I could barely make heads or tails of all the black hole / fighting shenanigans.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

*lurk*

Laurah (laurah), Saturday, 17 February 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

So, um, Chameleon Boy's dad and Infectious Lass's Great-Great-Grandmother and Darkseid beat up someone or other, and found the Dominators' station and, um, Guy Gardner doesn't kill so, like, he has to go back to the normal GL gang. I don't know how much I remember, but it was fun while it lasted. Very impressive outing from writer Keith Champagne, whose only previous writering was on a DEATHLY DULL JSA adventure in the Thunderbolt Dimension. High hopes for his WWIII stuff!

Anyway, Showcase Aquaman is Aqua-Awesome. VERY kid-oriented. Sorta like the Flintstones, where the most fun is in seeing prehistoric animals playing records, washing dishes, etc, only the underwater animals that do the same in Aquaman never make wisecracks. So far my favourite story is "Aquaman's Sea Animal Hospital", which is a very gentle and non-violent story about Aquaman opening a Sea Animal Hospital (duh) and helping his finny friends (many of which don't actually have fins--there seems to be a rather loose definition of "fish" in these stories). And then, quite suddenly and abruptly, SEA PIRATES SHOOT AQUAMAN DEAD! I won't spoil the story for you, but, um, I'm so happy I got this volume. I'm still not sure if I'll continue buying the Showcase series unabated, but, whatev.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Sunday, 18 February 2007 04:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I second the love for Showcase Aquaman. This is nearly as good as the Superman volumes - the Sea Animal hospital story, and the one set in New Venice are worth their entry alone, and then once Aqualad turns up there are Jimmy Olsen levels of goodness, especially the one where Aqualad loses his memory the day before his test for school, and the one where they arrange the Undersea Olympics.

AQUAMAN EVEN HAS THE POWER TO MAKE A STORY WITH THE SILVER AGE GREEN ARROW IN IT GOOD. That's saying something.

I am not a crappy security guard on L O S T (much_aldo_about_nothing), Sunday, 18 February 2007 11:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh God, I remember that Green Arrow/Aquaman from the DC Archives edition I own. Green Arrow and Aquaman notice that their respective foes have switched territories, so instead of doing the *logical* thing and having Aquaman defeat GA's underwater foe and GA fite with Aquaman's enemy on dry land, they decide that the best thing to do is get Green Arrow some diving gear and have Aquaman drive around the city with A GIANT FISH-FILLED TANK!

Also wonderful is the very first panel in the Aquaman origin story, where you see this frazzled old sailor type shouting incentive at a young kid locked in a tank with two sharks.

Daniel Reifferscheid (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 18 February 2007 11:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, Aqualad is way more from the Jimmy Olsen mold than the Robin mold. I like Aquaman's intimations in the Aqualad intro that he's really nothing but a drifter...in a way, he's Superman w/o Clark Kent. He's just this castoff orphan unequiped to live in The New World, but utterly alienated from The Old World. He's the (blond-haired and presumably blue-eyed) Jew who couldn't assimilate. I'm very pleasantly surprised at the pathos I've found in Aquaman.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Sunday, 18 February 2007 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Did I just blow ILC's mind with my intimation that Aquaman is the Wander Jew (eff one Phantom Stranger) or did everyone just take the rest of the weekend off?

anyway:
COUNTDOWN 51-48
Written by Paul Dini and others
Breakdowns by Keith Giffen
51 written by Paul Dini; art by Jesus Saiz
50 written by Jimmy Palmiotti & Justin Gray; art by Jim Calafiore
49 written by Tony Bedard; art by Carlos Magno
48 written by Adam Beechen; art by David Lopez
Covers by Andy Kubert & Tim Townshend
The event of the year is here! This brand-new, year-long weekly series features a
cast of hundreds where anything goes! With head writer Paul Dini and a rotating team of
some of the industry’s best writers and artists, COUNTDOWN will serve as the backbone
of the DCU in 2007.
When a character dies in COUNTDOWN 51, it sets off an unexpected ripple that
will touch virtually every character in the DC Universe.
The COUNTDOWN is on…so begins the end!
COUNTDOWN 51 on sale May 9
COUNTDOWN 50 on sale May 16
COUNTDOWN 49 on sale May 23
COUNTDOWN 48 on sale May 30
32 pg, FC, $2.99 US

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 19 February 2007 14:00 (seventeen years ago) link

+ing somewhere in above msg

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 19 February 2007 14:01 (seventeen years ago) link

written by Jimmy Palmiotti & Justin Gray

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

David RER (Frank Fiore), Monday, 19 February 2007 14:17 (seventeen years ago) link

but Adam Beechen (the new Dan Slott???)

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

also, RIP Bob Oksner
http://www.newsfromme.com/archives/2007_02_18.html#012954

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 19 February 2007 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Because if you can't trust the people who gave you Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters, you must be able to read.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 19 February 2007 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I started drinking not long after you posted that, which is why I didn't pick up on it.

It's a good spot though. There's a story to be told as well of the sadness he seems to feel stumbling across the purple-eyed mutant offspring of Atlantis (which may well be why you see it most in the Aqualad stories). He probably needs more EMO STARING ACROSS THE SEA FROM ROCKY OUTCROPS.

Other things remembered about why the rest of you should buy this - Aquaman being able to control a water buffalo because it has... er... water in its name. And the one where Lois Lane gets turned into a mermaid because her legs hurt, only for Superman to memorise the whole history of medicine and turn them back into legs again.

Anyway, Countdown. I'm not sure what the linkage is, but one of the Teen Titans dies in the book shipping a week before the first Countdown. Or perhaps doesn't, but is dead by the time the next issue of Titans comes out.

What's the "major spoiler" mentioned in the comments field on 52 PickUp that's in the latest GLC?

Did Showcase HoM Vol 2 ship when it was supposed to, or has it been delayed?

I am not a crappy security guard on L O S T (much_aldo_about_nothing), Monday, 19 February 2007 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I think there's two deaths on-panel, but apparently many are listed as 'missing' as of the 'end'.

The Spider-Man / Mr. Fantastic exchange…oh you will cringe.

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Is it any less cringeworthy than the majority of the coredump plot-moving spit-swapping Millar's engaged w/ throughout this series?

Honestly, I think my estimation of CW would've increased 100 fold if a monkey with Tourette's and no frontal lobe wrote the dialogue instead of MM. Hope he's putting more effort into his JPEG fumetti!

David RER (Frank Fiore), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

nu-IL-whatever scares me.

Dr. Superman (Huk-L), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link

although the end(?) of Ralph's storyline in 52 is definitely executed better than Steel's, it still has that same "well shit, let's just hurry up and get this story over with" feel as issue 40. Granted the realish-time aspect of the series must make it hard to resolve things in both a satisfying and in-depth manner, but knowing that doesn't make the conclusion seem any less rushed.

Garrett Martin (Garrett Martin), Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:07 (seventeen years ago) link

also: how the hell did I find 14 comics I was willing to pay three bucks a piece for today?

Garrett Martin (Garrett Martin), Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Guys, that Aquaman Showcase sounds amazing! I had no intention of buying it, and now it's next on my list.

I finally picked up the first issue of Dark Tower, and ... geez. The art is just distracting.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:12 (seventeen years ago) link

how did steel survive fecal blood?!

chaki (chaki), Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, I was proud of this one: http://52-pickup.blogspot.com/2007/02/week-42-doing-donuts-on-free-lunch.html

Douglas Wolk (Douglas), Thursday, 22 February 2007 06:00 (seventeen years ago) link


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