nah, people will show up. the stadium's in a better place, and miami loves nothing more than a front runner. plus there's so many economic factors different b/w the old stadium and new one that it's not like they'll have to draw 60k a night to make money exponentially more money than they did at the old park.
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
seriously i went to a game that summer and Paul Lo Duca was their starting first baseman
― smh, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
J's just traded a guy named Nestor for Sergio Santos.
― sir thermo of thinwall, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
the J's zoo of a message board had been slobbering all over Nestor for a while now - surprised they've not entered full-on melt-down mode (yet)
― sir thermo of thinwall, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
Keith Law:
With the deal that sends Chicago White Sox reliever Sergio Santos to Toronto for Blue Jays prospect Nestor Molina, the Jays trade maybe their sixth-best pitching prospect for a very effective short reliever.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
under a quality contract too.
― sir thermo of thinwall, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
the jays have like 16 dudes with good grades from sickels.. I wouldnt be too stressed out.
― mayor jingleberriez, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
this is the second straight pretty good SP prospect that the white sox have gotten from the jays in the past five months
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
but anthopolous knows his shit
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
clarkspencer clarkspencer#Marlins make no comment after meeting with pujpls agent for 75 minutes
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
here's the full law
Blue Jays get value in Sergio Santos December, 6, 2011Dec 61:25PM ET
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With the deal that sends Chicago White Sox reliever Sergio Santos to Toronto for Blue Jays prospect Nestor Molina, the Jays trade maybe their sixth-best pitching prospect for a very effective short reliever (whom they had previously when he was still a position player). This should take Toronto out of the market for free-agent closers, most of whom end up overpaid thanks to the winner's curse and the short peaks of most relievers' careers. The White Sox, on the other hand, get an extreme control right-hander without much of a breaking ball who could be a dominant two-pitch reliever, but is probably a year away from seriously contributing in the majors.
Santos was a shortstop (and not a good one) as recently as 2008, but converted to the mound in 2009 and raced to the majors even though he was mostly just an arm-strength guy at the time he switched roles. He's much more than that now, getting ahead with a mid-90s fastball but putting hitters away with a hard, extremely late-breaking slider that looks like it drops off a cliff at the last second. Santos threw 174 sliders in two-strike counts this year, according to Bloomberg Sports, and 57 percent of them resulted in strikeouts. The White Sox didn't use him much in number of games or within the games he pitched, with 80 percent of his outings comprised of one inning or less, so between that and his time as a position player, he's about as lightly used a reliever as you'll find in the big leagues. As long as Santos is healthy, he'll provide excellent value to the Blue Jays either on the field or in a trade a year or so from now, when he's a more "proven" closer.
Molina, also a converted infielder, has outstanding control, walking 16 batters in 130 innings in 2011 across two levels, most of it in high Class A. He has a solid-average fastball at 90-92 with a plus splitter, a pitch that made him more effective against left-handed batters than right-handed by more than 100 points of OPS this year. His breaking ball is a work in progress, to say the least, and he doesn't offer much projection, so there's still an open question of whether he can remain a starter with a midrotation ceiling or a late-game reliever. He should have a significant role in the 'pen even if he ends up exclusively a fastball/splitter guy. Molina is a good prospect, probably the best now in a fallow White Sox system, but the return seems a little light for a major league reliever signed to a very affordable three-year deal.
I can see Miami drawing pretty well now that there will be percent chance of zero for rainouts. If I'd lived in S. Fla. the past few years I'd still never have gone to a Marlins game -- the thought of getting into a dunk tank doesn't appeal to me.
― William (C), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
It breaks my heart that Albert Pujols, Heath Bell, and Jose Reyes will have to wear those uniforms.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
lol someone is squatting on jon heyman's old si account, or something
SI_JonHeyman: hearing #Marlins boosted offer to pujols to 13 years.... they are obvs pushing hard... long and hard... [via Twitter]
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
mlb network baseball winter meetings™ coverage makes me want to puncture my eardrums
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
wheeeeeeee
RT @truebluela If Harang deal backloaded. Dodgers will pay Lilly/Harang/Capuano/Uribe/Ellis/Hairston/Guerrier ~$47.75m in 2013
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
JimBowdenESPNxmJIM BOWDEN
Mariners are now front=runners on Fielder with Milw,Cubs & Tor all wanting shorter term deals....stay tuned
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
SI_JonHeyman:hearing #Marlins boosted offer to pujols to 13 years.... they are obvs pushing hard... long and hard... [via Twitter]
what the hell!!
― William (C), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
that's a fake
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
heyman's new account is Jon_Heyman
i saw it in the yahoo tracker and freaked out slightly until i clicked on over
ok, whew -- I mean, I would love for that to be true, because I have my NL East hunt already, but
― William (C), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
fielder to mariners has seemed like a foregone conclusion for like 2 years now
― smh, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
?
― sir thermo of thinwall, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
they have money to play with and their GM drafted prince while in MIL and lallygagged covets him
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
ah! thx.
― sir thermo of thinwall, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
ned and frank dont give a fuck. the new ownership should fire ned's stupid ass for fucking them before they even get a chance to start.
― mayor jingleberriez, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
yeah its just they've got money and at this point could really use a guy like him to remind fans what a home run is or what a major league hitter is like
plus their gm is the brewers former scouting director etc etc
― smh, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
cards are apparently furiously trying to unload lohse or westbrook. wonder what that could be about...
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
tryna free payroll for poo-holes or burly
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
feel like the solution would've been not giving jake westbrook 40m in the first place but \(o_O)/
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
the sox are apparently in on some japanese shortstop and are playing hardball with david ortiz--gave him a low 2-year offer that seems to be designed to get him to accept arbitration.
― cad, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
Exec: white sox asking for 'ubaldo Jimenez package' for John Danks.
Uh
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
they might be able to get a package from ubaldo jiminez
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
joecapMARLINS joe capozzi
Growing buzz in lobby that #Marlins will emerge as winner Albert Pujols derby. Nothing final yet but fish r favorites, accd 2 lobby walkers
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
"the ubaldo jimenez package" sounds like some black market plastic surgery you can get or something
― cad, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
GordonEdes Gordon EdesRed sox confirm they did not post on Japanese ss Nakajima
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
*wipes brow*
JeffPassan Jeff PassanCardinals owner. Whoa. RT @jonmorosi: More DeWitt on Pujols: "We're realistic about the fact that it may not happen."
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
It seems damn peculiar that the Marlins are going to sign free agents at two positions they really already have pretty decent players.
Obviously they hope Hanley pouts but moves to third or perhaps the outfield, but where do they put Gaby Sanchez if for some reason this pyramid scheme actually does bring in Pujols?
― earlnash, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
hanley ramirez is not a good shortstop
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 02:24 (twelve years ago) link
he's a good hitter who plays shortstop, but those are two different things
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 02:25 (twelve years ago) link
gaby's gonna get traded for pitching
Mets are apparently rebuilding the J's 2011 bullpen. godspeed.
― sir thermo of thinwall, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 03:48 (twelve years ago) link
Torres for Pagan, how thrilling. Still, prepare ye SF:
Pagan's low baseball IQ, including consistently missing cutoff men and throwing to the wrong base, often agitated Mets officials.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 12:36 (twelve years ago) link
Tim McCarver, who has been a national analyst on television networks for three decades and simultaneously shined as part of broadcast teams with four big league clubs, was named on Wednesday the 2012 recipient of the Ford C. Frick Award.
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
*WHAM with a sock of shit*
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
Huston Street to SD
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
lol
Reyes’ contract
2012: 102013: 102014: 162015: 222016: 222017: 222018: 22/4 buyout
are players allowed to play shortstop in a wheelchair
― mayor jingleberriez, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
now imagine what Pujols will look like.
― sir thermo of thinwall, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
the pirates have signed erik bedard!?
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
Jeter (TM)
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link