ILNFL sandbox thread, because you shouldn't pass up a chance to LOL @ the NY Giants

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wtf blaine

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 04:19 (twelve years ago) link

the jags two longest pass plays were a shovel pass to mjd and a pass that was completed to an eligible lineman

cad, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 04:20 (twelve years ago) link

I'm pretty sure this happened on this drive:
Gabbert rolls out, screen isn't there, so Gabbert just dumps the ball into the ground despite facing no pressure.

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 04:21 (twelve years ago) link

it's better than dropping it? he did that too

daria, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 04:22 (twelve years ago) link

maybe he's protesting the firing of jack del rio?

v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 04:23 (twelve years ago) link

I think he just presumed that nothing was there so a sack must have been forthcoming, let's end this play asap

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 04:25 (twelve years ago) link

i didn't know jaws was third on the qb consecutive start list!

cad, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 04:27 (twelve years ago) link

Jaws was a pretty good QB.

earlnash, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 05:51 (twelve years ago) link

wow the chargers are only two games back now

WE KILL BRONIES (Rolo Tony), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 14:18 (twelve years ago) link

in case this hasn't been posted yet: kelefa sanneh on chucky, in the new yorker

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

chucky wtf, sleep in past 3:17am plz

j crunchwrap supreme, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

i love him too much

v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

Tom Brady? He'll kill ya. If he catches you half asleep,
he'll punch you right in the face with the stretch -- he'll
hand the ball to Woodhead, or Green-Ellis, or Ridley, or
Faulk. Guys aren't ready. They're not ready. He'll do it five
plays in a row, on national TV, in front of the world. And he
loves nothing more than humiliating you. Because I know
this: he humiliated me. It's a hell of a system they have,
and he is the greatest trigger of our lifetime. Look at him!
He's snapping these plays off before the Jets are ready.
You can be as multiple as you want on defense, but, when
you play Tom Brady, he regulates you. He turns you into
[whispered] trash.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link

but, when
you play Tom Brady, he regulates you. He turns you into
[whispered] trash.

^str8 fire, beautiful chucky

j crunchwrap supreme, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

lol

v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

he'll be back coaching by 2013 if not sooner. He's sublimating the hell out of his need to coach with the amt of prep he puts into MNF.

― William (C), Monday, December 5, 2011 8:46 PM (Yesterday)

William (C), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link

if he really has "the need to coach" i'm sure like half the teams in the league would want to hire him, including one that's about to get THIS GUY Andrew Luck

WE KILL BRONIES (Rolo Tony), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link

oh hell yes, I'd love to see Gruden in Indy!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link

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Dranke, the German Drake Impersonator (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

whispered trash

William (C), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

@davehydesports Dave Hyde -- Archie Manning says obvious: Peyton and Andrew Luck on same team isn't, "great for either one." Believe me now? Peyton will be available?

hear me now and believe me later.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link

we have to work "slapdicks" into a nyer cartoon caption

slandblox goole, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

tight fit

Dranke, the German Drake Impersonator (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link

can you believe me now?

v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link

Colts absolutely should trade Peyton if they know what's good for them

WE KILL BRONIES (Rolo Tony), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link

they know what's good for them! that's why they're determined to go 0 -- 16.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link

i think they know that

v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link

they can probably ease up and win a game. the other hopefuls already screwed-up, in reverse, by winning one or two (or four, in the case of one woebegotten franchise) by now.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

Welcome back to the NFL, Jeff Garcia! In related news: sorry, Kellen Clemens.

polyphonic, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

Wes Welker has not dropped a pass this entire season, on 127 targets.

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link

Welcome back to the NFL, Jeff Garcia!

HAPPY DAY!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link

oh word garcia is back

cad, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 00:00 (twelve years ago) link

my favorite!
this is where i'd link to the garcia vs favre thread if we weren't sandboxing
welker is my favorite, even if he is a patriot

Dranke, the German Drake Impersonator (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link

they can probably ease up and win a game. the other hopefuls already screwed-up, in reverse, by winning one or two (or four, in the case of one woebegotten franchise) by now.

Baltimore, Tennessee, Houston, and Jacksonville...geeez

I'm in the mood to party (J0n Arbuckle), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 03:50 (twelve years ago) link

Colts absolutely should trade Peyton if they know what's good for them

wouldn't it make sense to keep peyton around a year or two and make sure a. luck's gonna make it in the pros b. he 'learns from the best'? seems a bit risky to trade one of the best qbs of all time w/o having that insurance. I mean no matter what happens, if you had to make a bet 'who's more likely to win a super bowl within the next 5 years, manning or luck', manning's still a safer bet.

iatee, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 05:09 (twelve years ago) link

I guess one counterargument is 'isn't peyton gonna catch on to this' which I think can be prevented if the colts make sure peyton is doing commercial shoots w/ literally every free moment of his time

iatee, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 05:12 (twelve years ago) link

I think Luck would have better luck learning from a good QB coach than a guy who's going to fight him for playing time until his dying breath. I don't think Peyton's going to be a good coach until he's not playing anymore, and maybe not even then. I could see him being the worst kind of micromanaging coach.

William (C), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 05:12 (twelve years ago) link

I guess. I'm sorta seeing this as a favre/rodgers parallel, which worked out pretty well for the packers, but I guess 'favre's gonna retire' was always in the air and 'manning's gonna retire' is not. a situation where a top nfl qb gets years to study and develop w/o pressure doesn't happen too often...

iatee, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 05:19 (twelve years ago) link

I guess it woulda been perfect if this happened 3 years from now

iatee, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 05:20 (twelve years ago) link

Manning to Tennessee fucking PLEASE

Dranke, the German Drake Impersonator (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 05:25 (twelve years ago) link

p. sure archie will only countenance a trade to new york

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 05:29 (twelve years ago) link

Peyton as Eli's backup, yessssss

William (C), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 05:36 (twelve years ago) link

perhaps you forget the j-e-t-s jets jets jets

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 05:54 (twelve years ago) link

wouldn't it make sense to keep peyton around a year or two and make sure a. luck's gonna make it in the pros b. he 'learns from the best'? seems a bit risky to trade one of the best qbs of all time w/o having that insurance. I mean no matter what happens, if you had to make a bet 'who's more likely to win a super bowl within the next 5 years, manning or luck', manning's still a safer bet.

both Peyton and Luck will be at their maximum value for the Colts next year. trading one (ahem) could bring back a huge haul.

I guess. I'm sorta seeing this as a favre/rodgers parallel, which worked out pretty well for the packers, but I guess 'favre's gonna retire' was always in the air and 'manning's gonna retire' is not. a situation where a top nfl qb gets years to study and develop w/o pressure doesn't happen too often...

the question is how good would Rodgers be if he started on day 1? we cant really answer that. his situation was kinda unique. keep in mind the Colts are about to come off an 0-16 season, and I don't think they're a playoff team w/ Manning anymore.

I'm in the mood to party (J0n Arbuckle), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 06:17 (twelve years ago) link

both Peyton and Luck will be at their maximum value for the Colts next year. trading one (ahem) could bring back a huge haul.

peyton yes, luck not necessarily. w/ a year or two of development could up his value.

I agree that his situation was kinda unique, but imo it's evidence, admittedly w/ a small sample set, that not throwing these guys into the fire can lead to mature, polished qbs. ya he woulda been good either way by now, it prob woulda been rougher going. but you're right in that I don't think there's a way to measure this. it's not realistic that this is gonna happen on the reg just cause of the dynamics of the nfl and draft picks, money and whatever, but if there's an opportunity for a #1 pick to learn the system pressure-free and (relatively) out of the spotlight, why not?

and coming off a 0-16 season means that the colts could afford sit on their hands for a bit cause it's not like they're gonna be super bowl contenders next year, tho I guess you can expect diminishing returns from peyton over these next years, which brings its own urgency if you're gonna keep him.

iatee, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 06:37 (twelve years ago) link

i mean you kinda just have to realize that peyty's value is never gonna be higher than it will be in a few months (he's not getting younger), get the maximum value possible from him, and roll the dice with luck, which seems like a pretty solid bet. it's not like the colts have anywhere to go but up at this point

i'd say the chances of them trading manning are like 0% but still

k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 06:48 (twelve years ago) link

either way the first round is pretty much their ceiling next year

k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 06:49 (twelve years ago) link

is there even really a way to trade for manning's 'actual value'? something like 10 regular season wins (haha this can't be a defensible stat, I know) plus the media/pr benefits of having 'maybe the best qb of all time' on your team. depending on a rookie qb, as good as he appears, to fill his shoes, is incredibly risky for the organization.

iatee, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 07:00 (twelve years ago) link

like let's say that the colts announced right now that they were absolutely trading peyton and gonna start luck. in that scenario, even without knowing where he went, would anyone here put money on 'luck has a higher % chance of winning a super bowl in the next 5 years than manning?'

iatee, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 07:03 (twelve years ago) link


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