colletti is a fucking joke. this team is terrible and 81 wins is looking optimistic.
you look at these off-season moves and its like WHAT IS THE FUCKING PLAN? I guess with no owner and hopefully no future there is no plan..
― mayor jingleberriez, Monday, 5 December 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
so, discussion topic for the day:
if albert pujols inexplicably signs w/ the marlins, does he become "worse" than lebron james, and who is more hated/feels more betrayed by their ex-fan base
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
also, cardinals/marlins play on opening day
i guess to clarify the last part, obv i mean which fanbase feels more betrayed
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 15:04 (twelve years ago) link
10 years... they're saying.
― sir thermo of thinwall, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 15:18 (twelve years ago) link
cards just won the world series, have several other well-paid players, etc. pujols is not from the greater st. louis area and seems unlikely to broadcast his decision in the reality television show format.
it'll be a long time before any fanbase feels more betrayed than cavs fans imo
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
also: http://mlbfancave.mlb.com/fancave/application.jsp
seems like v-shasty already watches every game, so maybe this would be a decent career move
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
hah when those ads were running during the ws i was picturing morbs doing it
― j crunchwrap supreme, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
morbs couldn't bear all the yankees and phillies games
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
I don't even have TV right now.
I would consider doing it if they let me mute the sound all the time, esp Fox and MLBTV.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
― mookieproof, Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:00 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink
lol i watch every marlin game
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
according to the twitter, the marlins have offered pujols a 10 year deal and are currently trying to work thru a no trade for the first five years before his 10/5 rights kick in
the cardinals are supposedly willing to offer him a 10 year deal depending on the AAV, i guess ppl aren't sure what the marlins current offer is.
also apparently this should be concluded either way w/in the next 36 hours.
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
that confession made me consciously aware of who v-shasty is (ie ,Sandbox names suck) xp
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
just imagine how often you'll get to see that outfield sculpture thing with both pujols and stanton in the lineup
― smh, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
and since J0rdan has emigrated, he won't have to buy a ticket for that boondoggle ballpark too often!
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/12/3/2607409/miami-marlins-ballpark-sec-investigation
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
it is bizarre to see them blow the kind of money they are on FA signings, *while* being investigated like this.
― sir thermo of thinwall, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
based on how the united states government has decided in the past few years to prosecute rich and powerful men that raped the citizenry for its money, i don't have much optimism that jeffery loria is going to be fined into oblivion, let alone put in jail
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
i think i'm going to throw up
Juan C. Rodriguez@JCRMarlinsbeat Juan C. RodriguezLoria, Samson, Beinfest, Hill heading upstairs for meeting. Pujols situation could crystallize soon. #marlins
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha this is one is for morbs
@Buster_ESPN Buster OlneyFriends of Loria with other teams say that he has always followed NYY and has wanted to emulate George Steinbrenner.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
(note that i am laughing WITH morbs in this situation)
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
ugh, offering pujols 10 years is a terrible mistake, no matter who does it
― Z S, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
hopefully you'll have some fat retired Teamsters/mobsters in the bleachers next year
xp
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
might as well be the marlins then imo, i'm pretty cool with it despite having a horse in the nl east race already
― smh, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
I cant wait for marlins to sign all these dudes and still see empty seats in their new crystal palace
― mayor jingleberriez, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
i think ppl will turn out this year as long as they're playing well. even the nats had an attendance bump with their new park in 08 when Christian Guzman was the best player on the 25-man for most of the summer
― smh, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
nah, people will show up. the stadium's in a better place, and miami loves nothing more than a front runner. plus there's so many economic factors different b/w the old stadium and new one that it's not like they'll have to draw 60k a night to make money exponentially more money than they did at the old park.
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
seriously i went to a game that summer and Paul Lo Duca was their starting first baseman
― smh, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
J's just traded a guy named Nestor for Sergio Santos.
― sir thermo of thinwall, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
the J's zoo of a message board had been slobbering all over Nestor for a while now - surprised they've not entered full-on melt-down mode (yet)
― sir thermo of thinwall, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
Keith Law:
With the deal that sends Chicago White Sox reliever Sergio Santos to Toronto for Blue Jays prospect Nestor Molina, the Jays trade maybe their sixth-best pitching prospect for a very effective short reliever.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
under a quality contract too.
― sir thermo of thinwall, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
the jays have like 16 dudes with good grades from sickels.. I wouldnt be too stressed out.
― mayor jingleberriez, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
this is the second straight pretty good SP prospect that the white sox have gotten from the jays in the past five months
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
but anthopolous knows his shit
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
clarkspencer clarkspencer#Marlins make no comment after meeting with pujpls agent for 75 minutes
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
here's the full law
Blue Jays get value in Sergio Santos December, 6, 2011Dec 61:25PM ET
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With the deal that sends Chicago White Sox reliever Sergio Santos to Toronto for Blue Jays prospect Nestor Molina, the Jays trade maybe their sixth-best pitching prospect for a very effective short reliever (whom they had previously when he was still a position player). This should take Toronto out of the market for free-agent closers, most of whom end up overpaid thanks to the winner's curse and the short peaks of most relievers' careers. The White Sox, on the other hand, get an extreme control right-hander without much of a breaking ball who could be a dominant two-pitch reliever, but is probably a year away from seriously contributing in the majors.
Santos was a shortstop (and not a good one) as recently as 2008, but converted to the mound in 2009 and raced to the majors even though he was mostly just an arm-strength guy at the time he switched roles. He's much more than that now, getting ahead with a mid-90s fastball but putting hitters away with a hard, extremely late-breaking slider that looks like it drops off a cliff at the last second. Santos threw 174 sliders in two-strike counts this year, according to Bloomberg Sports, and 57 percent of them resulted in strikeouts. The White Sox didn't use him much in number of games or within the games he pitched, with 80 percent of his outings comprised of one inning or less, so between that and his time as a position player, he's about as lightly used a reliever as you'll find in the big leagues. As long as Santos is healthy, he'll provide excellent value to the Blue Jays either on the field or in a trade a year or so from now, when he's a more "proven" closer.
Molina, also a converted infielder, has outstanding control, walking 16 batters in 130 innings in 2011 across two levels, most of it in high Class A. He has a solid-average fastball at 90-92 with a plus splitter, a pitch that made him more effective against left-handed batters than right-handed by more than 100 points of OPS this year. His breaking ball is a work in progress, to say the least, and he doesn't offer much projection, so there's still an open question of whether he can remain a starter with a midrotation ceiling or a late-game reliever. He should have a significant role in the 'pen even if he ends up exclusively a fastball/splitter guy. Molina is a good prospect, probably the best now in a fallow White Sox system, but the return seems a little light for a major league reliever signed to a very affordable three-year deal.
I can see Miami drawing pretty well now that there will be percent chance of zero for rainouts. If I'd lived in S. Fla. the past few years I'd still never have gone to a Marlins game -- the thought of getting into a dunk tank doesn't appeal to me.
― William (C), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
It breaks my heart that Albert Pujols, Heath Bell, and Jose Reyes will have to wear those uniforms.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
lol someone is squatting on jon heyman's old si account, or something
SI_JonHeyman: hearing #Marlins boosted offer to pujols to 13 years.... they are obvs pushing hard... long and hard... [via Twitter]
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
mlb network baseball winter meetings™ coverage makes me want to puncture my eardrums
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
wheeeeeeee
RT @truebluela If Harang deal backloaded. Dodgers will pay Lilly/Harang/Capuano/Uribe/Ellis/Hairston/Guerrier ~$47.75m in 2013
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
JimBowdenESPNxmJIM BOWDEN
Mariners are now front=runners on Fielder with Milw,Cubs & Tor all wanting shorter term deals....stay tuned
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
SI_JonHeyman:hearing #Marlins boosted offer to pujols to 13 years.... they are obvs pushing hard... long and hard... [via Twitter]
what the hell!!
― William (C), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
that's a fake
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
heyman's new account is Jon_Heyman
i saw it in the yahoo tracker and freaked out slightly until i clicked on over
ok, whew -- I mean, I would love for that to be true, because I have my NL East hunt already, but
― William (C), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
fielder to mariners has seemed like a foregone conclusion for like 2 years now
― smh, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
?
― sir thermo of thinwall, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
they have money to play with and their GM drafted prince while in MIL and lallygagged covets him
― v-shasty, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
ah! thx.
― sir thermo of thinwall, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link