Thanks stet for handling this, much appreciated.
xp Amazon option seconded.
― yes this is the real (snoball), Monday, 5 December 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
+1 Amazon. I can't help in any meaningful way other than by injecting funds. William (C), you should buy a Kindle.
― (^_^) (^_^) (^_^), Monday, 5 December 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
"would it be possible to reduce the load on the DB by making the first several years of it read-only and sending it off to live quietly with relatives or something?" but really, there's too much value in revisiting and reviving old threads.
I have been thinking similar things myself. The quick and easy thing to do is make everything that hasn't been updated in say a year just a read-only HTML thread. That'd be super-easy to serve, and we could do it from a tiny server like this one.
But it's also a bit crap -- wouldn't be properly integrated with search, and you couldn't just bump an old thread. I'm trying to see if there isn't something cleverer we could do that would fix those problems -- perhaps the threads live in cold storage as static HTML and then if someone tries to bump one we "defrost" it and insert all its posts into the DB again? Can foresee problems doing that, too.
Either way, by far the simplest option for the immediate future given funding (eg at least another 2/3 years the way things have been going) is just to get a bit more memory.
― stet, Monday, 5 December 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
I can live with the sandbox for a while. As an example of Amazon EC2 performance it's pretty impressive.
― yes this is the real (snoball), Monday, 5 December 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
^^ yeah, definitely
would our existing host folks be willing to allow us to spin up another sandbox using their virtual solution so we can compare performance?
― OH NOES, Monday, 5 December 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
ah, got it -- those were the same questions and reservations I had from a layman's perspective -- just wasn't sure if I was asking the right questions or the programming equivalent of "can we turn this block of solid granite inside out?"
xp to stet
― William (C), Monday, 5 December 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
is sb extra
― Sad Banter (p much resigned to deems), Monday, 5 December 2011 21:19 (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
this, this should be like carbon tax, we should get a credit & have to buy more
good work stet!, let us know when you need $$$. when your head explodes from the continuous effort dedicated to server maintenance &c we will chip in for replacement parts for that, also
― Never translate German (schlump), Monday, 5 December 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
That's probably not a bad idea to ask about. I would guess they'd want to put the existing server out of its misery before they do that though, and I want to keep it zombieing on until I have a live running copy of proper ILX on another server.
(I have a copy running on my Mac, and the DB all checks out, but it's not quite the same)
xp thanks everybody btw <3 u all
― stet, Monday, 5 December 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
I am in favor of a sb tax - we would never need a funding drive
― dayo, Monday, 5 December 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs would keep ilx running for 100 years
stet, there is one way I might be able to help depending on (a) how you go about doing what you intend to go about doing and (b) how busy I am when you get to that point. Bung me an email if you so desire.
― (^_^) (^_^) (^_^), Monday, 5 December 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, adding to the thank-yous to stet for service above and beyond!
― William (C), Monday, 5 December 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
I want to volunteer to help but this is about to become silly crazy busy season for me and I don't want to be the flake who backs out
― OH NOES, Monday, 5 December 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
can't believe you're already flaking dan. sorry everyone - it seems like the orphans won't get into their new home in time for christmas after all.
― Never translate German (schlump), Monday, 5 December 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
so unthoughtful, jeez
― dayo, Monday, 5 December 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
awesome, adding my thanks here, and hopefully some $ at some point.
― nuhnuhnuh, Monday, 5 December 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
hey stet, thanks for all yr work!
― your voice of treason, Monday, 5 December 2011 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw i support using amazon too, best to use the futuristic hosting styles since we r a cutting edge community after all
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 5 December 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
can't believe dan is being such a huge jerk about this
― river wolf, Monday, 5 December 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
― your voice of treason, Monday, December 5, 2011 5:23 PM (15 minutes ago)
echoing frogbs here, thanks stet
― k3vin k., Monday, 5 December 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
dan needs to take some time off and think abt his priorities
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 5 December 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
xpost
http://i.imgur.com/xsUWy.gif
― your voice of treason, Monday, 5 December 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
\(^o^)/
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 5 December 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
― your voice of treason, Monday, 5 December 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
Thank you, stet! I have no skills to contribute but would love the opportunity to throw money at the problem.
― thejenny, Monday, 5 December 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
btw in case I sounded too much like a huge wanker I was offering to develop the sort of supporting documents that would be megaboring for an ilx thread.
― (^_^) (^_^) (^_^), Monday, 5 December 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
ditch the db, keep the sb
― cccccc, Monday, 5 December 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
GOOGLE ADS HAVE WE TREID GOGGLE ADS
― regional pug (dealwithit.gif), Monday, 5 December 2011 23:31 (twelve years ago) link
Amazon affiliate setup where every word on ILX is a link to a product.
― milo z, Monday, 5 December 2011 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
loll yes
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 5 December 2011 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
i know this comes up a lot but ads for unregistered posters and posters i dont like would get help us pay for a more expensive server if we needed it
― judith, Monday, 5 December 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
sbxp
― Never translate German (schlump), Monday, 5 December 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
Given that the annual fund drive is always oversubscribed, do we really need to look into novel solutions?
― sean doily, Monday, 5 December 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
Stet, you are awesome.
― ailsa, Monday, 5 December 2011 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
catching up now but thx stet you are a prince
― cad, Monday, 5 December 2011 23:52 (twelve years ago) link
Charge people $5 every time they change their display name.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
Readmission fee after a ban
― Sad Banter (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:50 (twelve years ago) link
£51 fine for self-excelsioring
― Sad Banter (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
50¢ per otm charge
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
graduated lol tax
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Antichrist1.jpg
― sean doily, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
Tithes to be paid by all posters to The Church
― Sad Banter (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
that medieval church puggle ain't looking too happy
― kingfish sandbox bonaparte, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 01:07 (twelve years ago) link
he can't afford to go on ye olde ILM
― sean doily, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 01:25 (twelve years ago) link
lol tax revolts of 2012
― Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
Am I the only person who thinks "sb" should be left behind?
― Bela Lugosi's Derrida (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 09:24 (twelve years ago) link
^no
thanks 1,000,000 stet for all yr hard work
― the deli llama, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:07 (twelve years ago) link
I'd like to poll that question, I'll admit. But I have 'mixed feeligns'.
In theory, if someone's just posting offensive crap or spam, 50 good and faithful ILXors should be able to point them out and the perp gets xored out.
At the moment, it's more a 'custard pie for not liking Animal Collective in the right way'.
Maybe a 'ban' should last all of an hour, in the spirit of "we love you but maybe you should go and chill out for a bit"
And so on. Don't mind me.
― Bela Lugosi's Derrida (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:16 (twelve years ago) link
If someone's just posting offensive crap or spam, they'll get banned by the mods before even reaching 51.
― Illia Rump (emil.y), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:17 (twelve years ago) link
I know, and there's the 'borderline' stuff, and there's the 'offensive to relatively few people', etc.
― Bela Lugosi's Derrida (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 6 December 2011 11:19 (twelve years ago) link
Thanks for getting ILX up again before the Oz Open tennis, and for all your hard work generally.
Will all the old threads from the old site ever be accessible? Sorry if this ? has already come up....
― Fred Nerk, Sunday, 1 January 2012 10:31 (twelve years ago) link
They are OK, they are in cryogenic freeze next to Ted Williams's head
― I'm in the sandbox with the tombstone HOOS (James Redd), Sunday, 1 January 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
Have tweaked this and fiddled that and turned on ILX again. It looks a lot healthier this time, so here's hoping. If it conks again, will need to get the big guns in.
― stet, Sunday, 1 January 2012 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
Sweeet, so far so good. Thanks, stet!
― William (C), Sunday, 1 January 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
Dumb question, but how do I set zing back to ilx (not sandbox)?
― remy bean in exile, Sunday, 1 January 2012 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
Just change the instance setting to "ILX"
― stet, Sunday, 1 January 2012 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
ilxor.com is still redirecting to the sandbox btw. direct link http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/index.jsp
― caek, Monday, 2 January 2012 00:03 (twelve years ago) link
Yes -- want to keep it that way. I want to add load back slowly so I can be sure it's working. Right now it seems OK, and has been up longer than any previous attempt, but it's a quiet time generally.
― stet, Monday, 2 January 2012 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
ok cool.
got a tomcat error (which i didn't save sorry) when i logged in, but i manually visited /ILX after that and i was logged in ok.
― caek, Monday, 2 January 2012 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
I never reset zing to sandbox for that very reason
― I'm in the sandbox with the tombstone HOOS (James Redd), Monday, 2 January 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago) link
Also had trouble over there posting from zing for some unknown reason
― I'm in the sandbox with the tombstone HOOS (James Redd), Monday, 2 January 2012 01:48 (twelve years ago) link
It Is A Mystery
― I'm in the sandbox with the tombstone HOOS (James Redd), Monday, 2 January 2012 01:56 (twelve years ago) link
OK, problem was I had logged myself off fooling around with the settings.
― I'm in the sandbox with the tombstone HOOS (James Redd), Monday, 2 January 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
THANK YOU!
― Bee, Monday, 2 January 2012 03:08 (twelve years ago) link
are we back now?
― Dranke, the German Drake Impersonator (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 January 2012 04:19 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/
― clay, Monday, 2 January 2012 04:22 (twelve years ago) link
YES
― Bee, Monday, 2 January 2012 04:24 (twelve years ago) link
so old skool ilx is kinda slow right now?
― Dranke, the German Drake Impersonator (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 January 2012 05:09 (twelve years ago) link
seems fine to me
― iatee, Monday, 2 January 2012 05:10 (twelve years ago) link
Slow for me too -- 3-4 seconds for SNA page load. But it's better than it was a couple of hours ago.
― William (C), Monday, 2 January 2012 05:18 (twelve years ago) link
As soon as I say that, now it's loading instantly.
yah its been intermittently slow for me
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 2 January 2012 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
slow for me,as has sandbox
― Anyone need a (Jimmy Riddle), Monday, 2 January 2012 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
I no longer even have a working login for "real" ILX - can someone who's managed to log in pls be a dear and tell me if it's still got SB before I bother going to the trouble of reregistering? I've enjoyed it here but I'm not going back to that stress.
― Kurun a Spern (Fotherington Thomas), Monday, 2 January 2012 09:30 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, the new ILX does seem to be quite slow. After I clicked "login", it took half a minute before it actually logged in.
― Tuomas, Monday, 2 January 2012 09:35 (twelve years ago) link
FT, regular ILX hasn't changed at all, and so, yes, does still have SB.
― If Villasboas was named Mike Jones and looked like a tool. (c sharp major), Monday, 2 January 2012 10:24 (twelve years ago) link
OK, thanks for letting me know.
― Kurun a Spern (Fotherington Thomas), Monday, 2 January 2012 10:26 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, prohibitively slow in both spaces now.
― Dranke, the German Drake Impersonator (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 January 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
fundraiser
― lxy, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link
fundraiser.
― sanbox (step hen faps), Thursday, 1 May 2014 13:29 (nine years ago) link