HOT STOVE, COOL SAND

i don't know -- if carl crawford and jayson werth are getting $120m contracts, yeonis cespedes probably will be worth half that

plus he can leg-lift two friends and catch a ball behind his back

dodgers get capuano and harang. y'all jealous.

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quite the one-two punch there!

look out NL west!

'jimmy rollins is just a winner'

heyman sez: Dodgers in talks on possible 2-yr deal with jerry hairston. Not done yet

why in the sweet name of fuck are we trying to sign all the terrible backup infielders and 5th starters on the market if we allegedly have no money

they are putting together a really absurd team

colletti is a fucking joke. this team is terrible and 81 wins is looking optimistic.

you look at these off-season moves and its like WHAT IS THE FUCKING PLAN? I guess with no owner and hopefully no future there is no plan..

so, discussion topic for the day:

if albert pujols inexplicably signs w/ the marlins, does he become "worse" than lebron james, and who is more hated/feels more betrayed by their ex-fan base

also, cardinals/marlins play on opening day

i guess to clarify the last part, obv i mean which fanbase feels more betrayed

10 years... they're saying.

cards just won the world series, have several other well-paid players, etc. pujols is not from the greater st. louis area and seems unlikely to broadcast his decision in the reality television show format.

it'll be a long time before any fanbase feels more betrayed than cavs fans imo

also: http://mlbfancave.mlb.com/fancave/application.jsp

seems like v-shasty already watches every game, so maybe this would be a decent career move

hah when those ads were running during the ws i was picturing morbs doing it

morbs couldn't bear all the yankees and phillies games

I don't even have TV right now.

I would consider doing it if they let me mute the sound all the time, esp Fox and MLBTV.

seems like v-shasty already watches every game, so maybe this would be a decent career move

― mookieproof, Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:00 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink

lol i watch every marlin game

according to the twitter, the marlins have offered pujols a 10 year deal and are currently trying to work thru a no trade for the first five years before his 10/5 rights kick in

the cardinals are supposedly willing to offer him a 10 year deal depending on the AAV, i guess ppl aren't sure what the marlins current offer is.

also apparently this should be concluded either way w/in the next 36 hours.

that confession made me consciously aware of who v-shasty is (ie ,Sandbox names suck) xp

just imagine how often you'll get to see that outfield sculpture thing with both pujols and stanton in the lineup

and since J0rdan has emigrated, he won't have to buy a ticket for that boondoggle ballpark too often!

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/12/3/2607409/miami-marlins-ballpark-sec-investigation

it is bizarre to see them blow the kind of money they are on FA signings, *while* being investigated like this.

based on how the united states government has decided in the past few years to prosecute rich and powerful men that raped the citizenry for its money, i don't have much optimism that jeffery loria is going to be fined into oblivion, let alone put in jail

i think i'm going to throw up

Juan C. Rodriguez
@JCRMarlinsbeat Juan C. Rodriguez
Loria, Samson, Beinfest, Hill heading upstairs for meeting. Pujols situation could crystallize soon. #marlins

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha this is one is for morbs

@Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Friends of Loria with other teams say that he has always followed NYY and has wanted to emulate George Steinbrenner.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

(note that i am laughing WITH morbs in this situation)

ugh, offering pujols 10 years is a terrible mistake, no matter who does it

hopefully you'll have some fat retired Teamsters/mobsters in the bleachers next year

xp

might as well be the marlins then imo, i'm pretty cool with it despite having a horse in the nl east race already

I cant wait for marlins to sign all these dudes and still see empty seats in their new crystal palace

i think ppl will turn out this year as long as they're playing well. even the nats had an attendance bump with their new park in 08 when Christian Guzman was the best player on the 25-man for most of the summer

nah, people will show up. the stadium's in a better place, and miami loves nothing more than a front runner. plus there's so many economic factors different b/w the old stadium and new one that it's not like they'll have to draw 60k a night to make money exponentially more money than they did at the old park.

seriously i went to a game that summer and Paul Lo Duca was their starting first baseman

J's just traded a guy named Nestor for Sergio Santos.

the J's zoo of a message board had been slobbering all over Nestor for a while now - surprised they've not entered full-on melt-down mode (yet)

Keith Law:

With the deal that sends Chicago White Sox reliever Sergio Santos to Toronto for Blue Jays prospect Nestor Molina, the Jays trade maybe their sixth-best pitching prospect for a very effective short reliever.

under a quality contract too.

the jays have like 16 dudes with good grades from sickels.. I wouldnt be too stressed out.

this is the second straight pretty good SP prospect that the white sox have gotten from the jays in the past five months

but anthopolous knows his shit

clarkspencer clarkspencer
#Marlins make no comment after meeting with pujpls agent for 75 minutes

here's the full law

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With the deal that sends Chicago White Sox reliever Sergio Santos to Toronto for Blue Jays prospect Nestor Molina, the Jays trade maybe their sixth-best pitching prospect for a very effective short reliever (whom they had previously when he was still a position player). This should take Toronto out of the market for free-agent closers, most of whom end up overpaid thanks to the winner's curse and the short peaks of most relievers' careers. The White Sox, on the other hand, get an extreme control right-hander without much of a breaking ball who could be a dominant two-pitch reliever, but is probably a year away from seriously contributing in the majors.

Santos was a shortstop (and not a good one) as recently as 2008, but converted to the mound in 2009 and raced to the majors even though he was mostly just an arm-strength guy at the time he switched roles. He's much more than that now, getting ahead with a mid-90s fastball but putting hitters away with a hard, extremely late-breaking slider that looks like it drops off a cliff at the last second. Santos threw 174 sliders in two-strike counts this year, according to Bloomberg Sports, and 57 percent of them resulted in strikeouts. The White Sox didn't use him much in number of games or within the games he pitched, with 80 percent of his outings comprised of one inning or less, so between that and his time as a position player, he's about as lightly used a reliever as you'll find in the big leagues. As long as Santos is healthy, he'll provide excellent value to the Blue Jays either on the field or in a trade a year or so from now, when he's a more "proven" closer.

Molina, also a converted infielder, has outstanding control, walking 16 batters in 130 innings in 2011 across two levels, most of it in high Class A. He has a solid-average fastball at 90-92 with a plus splitter, a pitch that made him more effective against left-handed batters than right-handed by more than 100 points of OPS this year. His breaking ball is a work in progress, to say the least, and he doesn't offer much projection, so there's still an open question of whether he can remain a starter with a midrotation ceiling or a late-game reliever. He should have a significant role in the 'pen even if he ends up exclusively a fastball/splitter guy. Molina is a good prospect, probably the best now in a fallow White Sox system, but the return seems a little light for a major league reliever signed to a very affordable three-year deal.

I can see Miami drawing pretty well now that there will be percent chance of zero for rainouts. If I'd lived in S. Fla. the past few years I'd still never have gone to a Marlins game -- the thought of getting into a dunk tank doesn't appeal to me.

It breaks my heart that Albert Pujols, Heath Bell, and Jose Reyes will have to wear those uniforms.

lol someone is squatting on jon heyman's old si account, or something

SI_JonHeyman:
hearing #Marlins boosted offer to pujols to 13 years.... they are obvs pushing hard... long and hard... [via Twitter]

mlb network baseball winter meetings™ coverage makes me want to puncture my eardrums

wheeeeeeee

RT @truebluela If Harang deal backloaded. Dodgers will pay Lilly/Harang/Capuano/Uribe/Ellis/Hairston/Guerrier ~$47.75m in 2013

JimBowdenESPNxmJIM BOWDEN

Mariners are now front=runners on Fielder with Milw,Cubs & Tor all wanting shorter term deals....stay tuned