Dear ILE - a plea

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"I find all of you boring/unworthy, I wish some interesting people would show up/my real friends would come back."

Hoo, this sure aint true of me. I only wish I was zingy enough to be part of Noise, or well-read enough for ILB. What I do find unworthy is bullying and trolling and downright vileness. It's not that the "wrong people" are here, it's that a small number are being dicks, which affects the whole.

xpost yeh, fair point. Maybe I shuold say "you'd expect more new members to arrive from a pool that size". Because it feels (and I might be wrong) that it's mostly regulars here with the odd newcomer.

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

noise is not all zings!

― Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

No you wouldn't! That's like expecting every person who reads a random online article/blog is going to fill out the comment form!

I got my first hate blog comment today for bitching about Carrie Underwood.

"I find all of you boring/unworthy, I wish some interesting people would show up/my real friends would come back."
BYE LOSER!

Anyway, I say the new site gets reg-free trial if we get good spam protection.

― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

The site will remain self-policing. I can't imagine any way to change that. There is no way that the personalities on this board will tollerate anything else.

I really don't understand the balkanization complaint. People can come out of their clan threads and post elsewhere. This seems to be what happens. Clan thread just = ilx within ilx. Don't be a lurker on the regional threads, then. Visit London/DC/Chicago.

― After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

The point made WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY upthread about how if people spent more time talking TO each other rather than talking ABOUT each other, we wouldn't have to have these threads is incredibly OTM.

Also Ed is OTM.

Because it feels (and I might be wrong) that it's mostly regulars here with the odd newcomer.

This is the way the boards have always felt to me, largely because I already knew a sizeable number of the original posters when it started. I call that feeling "being a regular on the board".

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

The site won't get a reg free trial because I haven't written it like that.

― KeefW (KeefW), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't worry, Jon will hack it.

― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Posters that have been supposedly on ILX in recent memory:

Mic@key
Louis J
Paul Edward Wagemann

The only on that list that doesn't post here anymore is the one WE KICKED OUT.

I'm still looking for a concrete example of how this behavior has affected someones willingness to post.

― John Justen, surrounded by frail, wispy people. (John Justen), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Seconded, Noise is def. not all zings, though the zings that are there can be pretty fucking harsh! Music discussion there I find to be excellent.

I do have the feeling that the tone of the place has been a bit harsh generally recently, I must admit. I think Mark C's original post is OTM.

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

("seconded" to mr que)

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, "good content"? Who is the arbiter of "good content"?

Everyone individually.

― It's Teatime in Buttercup Land (Maaarghk C), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, to make it reg free. Well, that's fine if he wants to do the work. Certainly an unorthodox way of programming computers.

xxx-post

― KeefW (KeefW), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

The point made WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY upthread about how if people spent more time talking TO each other rather than talking ABOUT each other, we wouldn't have to have these threads is incredibly OTM.

That was my point (I think) and it's about the only rule I'd want a mod to enact, apart from the obvious spam/hate speech stuff. That's how I'd change the "self policing" bit, too.

I'm still looking for a concrete example of how this behavior has affected someones willingness to post.
Kinda tricky to prove a negative, innit.

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

uh, that should say "supposedly bullied"

xpost: I think the funny thing is that despite what people think, NB is one of the nicest places on ILX, as a rule.

― John Justen, surrounded by frail, wispy people. (John Justen), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

The point made WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY upthread about how if people spent more time talking TO each other rather than talking ABOUT each other, we wouldn't have to have these threads is incredibly OTM.

Or talking about each other on at other interweb places.

― The Many Faces of Gordon Jump (Leon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

(Also zingy reference wasn't meant to mean Noise is all zings, just that I'm not zingy enough to be brave enough to post there!)

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Not asking anyone to prove a negative, I'm asking someone to find a thread where someone is bullied, and then search that username and show that they haven't posted since.

xpost

― John Justen, surrounded by frail, wispy people. (John Justen), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm still looking for a concrete example of how this behavior has affected someones willingness to post.

It has affected the willingness of lots of people to contribute on threads which have become vicious and negative. It hasn't necessarily made people quit ILE forever but that's not the point. How many threads have died or lost their way because X has bitched out Y and then Z has jumped in on one side or other?

― It's Teatime in Buttercup Land (Maaarghk C), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Do we even want those milktoasts? People who can't take a joke, fuck em!

― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Probably as many as have died because someone has taken them off topic in any number of other ways.

xpost

― John Justen, surrounded by frail, wispy people. (John Justen), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

actually dog latin left because he was being "picked" on is a good example but to be fair, he kind of deserved it?

― Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I really don't understand the balkanization complaint. People can come out of their clan threads and post elsewhere. This seems to be what happens. Clan thread just = ilx within ilx.

seriously. i probably post more on the dc thread than i do on the chicago thread these days.

― chicago kevin is back in a new york groove (chicago kevin), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahaha John, "I'm not asking anyone to prove a negative, I just want someone to do a search that would prove a negative"!

LOGIC: 1
JJ: 0

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Do we even want those milktoasts? People who can't take a joke, fuck em!

-- jw (jon@wiz

I dunno man, there are def people out there who are cool/interesting in various ways, but who are not at all into harsh-style interweb dialog.

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Most of the people who complain about bullying or meanness aren't exactly nice either.

― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think you can say that's true looking at who's posted on this thread.

― It's Teatime in Buttercup Land (Maaarghk C), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link

i am nice

― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost to Dan: Nope. I'm asking for an example, not a logical proof. As in "Object A (people that have stopped posting because of bullying) exists." This is the statement people are making. I'm asking to see object A. Dog Latin is actually one that I hadn't thought of.

― John Justen, surrounded by frail, wispy people. (John Justen), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, there's bullying and then there's posting in a state of denial and/or passive-aggressiveness. XP

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

if doglatin never posts on ILX ever again i will be amazed and impressed.

― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Being nice is like recycling, you can't make other people recycle. So, I would suggest being nice but not mentioning it, sorry steve, xpost sorta thing. I haven't read the whole thread.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link

but you can make other people recycle!

― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Jel otm, as per usual.

― The Many Faces of Gordon Jump (Leon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

and we can even recycle other people
*browses ross perot pamphlet*

― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

but they will not like you very much, xxpost

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeh, and there's over 20,000 readers every day. You'd expect more of them would want to say something

-- stet (bonald...), February 14th, 2007 5:48 PM. (stet)

"plzz sir send guess papers of class 9th urgently for test 5 september"

― step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Can you make my dad start recycling properly steve?

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

no but the council probably will jel

i'm against recycling zings tho

― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

All I really need to know I learned on ILX.

― After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

OH GOD! IRE Will be locked on nucode!
xpost.

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

we should just start a board called I Love I Love Everything where we can have plenty of these meta threads that discuss the future, zingers, LJ, etc. because we have one of these meta threads every week or so

― Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

good idea

― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

http://ilx.thehold.net/newanswers.php?board=55

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

You know, the weirdest thing about this thread is the implication in the first line of the first post that it's alright for us all to go back to being cunts to one another once nu-ILX is up.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost
no, that's for moderator requests, and is not what i'm thinking of, nice try though.

― Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Baby steps, Matt

― It's Teatime in Buttercup Land (Maaarghk C), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it would make more sense to call it I Hate I Love Everything, though, since that seems to be the jist of most of these things.

― John Justen, surrounded by frail, wispy people. (John Justen), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I Love To Hate I Love Everything

― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

oh wait that's Noise Board

― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

When I met Tim H. a couple months ago, he mentioned that in his mind the balkanization of ILX (it happens on ILM, too, cf. the Rolling threads) was actually MORE like what it was like in the beginning: just a bunch of people who know each other gabbing to one another and being pally. These days, there just happen to be several of those conversations going on at once.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

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