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Maybe they're cooler to a non-Jew, but I get a really patronizing vibe off them. And they cut themselves off physically and culturally from the rest of the world...how can someone be cool if they don't understand/don't care about/are afraid of modern culture? Stick to your Torah and clapping on the downbeats and lack of birth control dudes, I'll be in the real world.

/over the top rant

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry. Basically my mom has become extremely Orthodox so I'm forced to deal with that community sometimes, and I'm not exactly what they expect from her son. At all. And they can be dicks about it.

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know what's wrong with me today. I'm full of hate, apparently.

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm not talking about Orthodox, more like, you know, Elliott Gould.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Jordan, your hateful rant is so far making people not notice that I just defended horror movies.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

(I like horror movies, though. Rosemary's Baby is one of my favorite movies ever. I just don't have the will to sit through a lot of bad ones.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

you know who's awesome is that robbie gould fella

― deep space nine, Monday, 16 October 2006 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Totally understood, Jordan. But the cutting themselves off thing is interesting. In the first place, the Hasidim came to America not to take part in the American dream or to assimilate, but to continue living exactly as they had in Europe except for being safe from pogrom/Holocaust. Second, their rebbes refused to come here until AFTER WWII, so that generation had very different priorities from the next gen, which is the group currently "in power" in most places. Third, in a sense the Hasidim who immigrated to America could have taken part in a culture of privilege, being a white European group, but they specifically chose not to benefit from that privilege...a restraint which could, if investigated constructively, make them less estranged from the minority groups they usually live near.

Also, I don't know what their problem is w/r/t you -- I know someone whose daughter is an out lesbian (not practicing Orthodox, obv) but her father is very scholarly, respected, visible among his peers.

Also there are definitely some very lousy things about modern Hasidic life, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH is their attitude/code of conduct for women.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha.

I think at this point the basic sci-fi setting is so entrenched that it's not so different a starting point than here & now. Meaning, saying "okay, it's the future and there are space ships and humans living on different worlds" isn't a big deal, it's "okay, it's the future and there are space ships AND here's the hook". Although if those tropes really bother you than that's something else (I forget, have you read any Delany?).

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I don't know why it bothers me. Most of what I like, narrative-wise, still tends to be contemporary American realism. Who's Delany?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Samuel Delany

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

'Cause a lot of his work has trad sci-fi/fantasy tropes + excellent writing, race and gender issues, dude sex, etc.

(a lot of his writing also lacks those tropes, but that's what he came out of)

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

later chicago.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I hate decisions. Should I take the cheaper place that I don't like as much, or the more expensive place that I looove?

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Take whichever is more convenient?

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Monday, 16 October 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

how much more expensive is it?

― bohren un der club of gear, Monday, 16 October 2006 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

what neighborhoods?

ps- hi chicago.

― grady (grady), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

DETAILS!!!

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Have you gone through the credit process?

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

the pricier one sounds really great.

― JuliaA (JuliaA), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm dying for details. i am afraid to look for a new place and kenan will be my guinea pig.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

ok, here's the story on the place that I like. $775 a month, which is more than I wanted to pay but certainly doable. One bedroom. Big kitchen. Nice living room with a southern exposure and a view of a grand old oak tree. Back porch (!). Pretty hardwood floors. Laundry downstairs. Old building, but well maintained. There's a marble facade out front that says "The Rose." Located here, which is pretty unbeatable. Two blocks from the Berwyn el stop, two blocks from Jewel, three blocks from the lake, seven blocks from Juulia.

I think I should go for it.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know where Berwyn or Jewel are, but the rest sounds PERFECT. Shit. I want.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't remember if it's thisplace or the other one that has the old iron bathtub with the legs and everything. I love that shit.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link

qhR v

ahem...

what about the other one?

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know where Berwyn or Jewel are

Well, ifyou look at the map, Berwyn in one block south, and the train stop is just on the east side of Broadway. The grocery is between the el stop and Brodaway.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

That's a pretty great location. 1 block from 2 different L stops, CLOSE to the Jewel, beautiful street.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

The other one is at Devon and Wayne, much smaller, has a view of an alley and a brick wayy, and you have to walk through the closet to get to the bathroom. Also significantly dirtier.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

brick wall

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

happiness trumps potential savings any day of the week, right? i took a place for $275 more per month than another i was thinking about because it was much nicer and in a slightly better area. it was well worth it.

if you go with the other place, you will inevitably regret it completely.

― bohren un der club of gear, Monday, 16 October 2006 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link

what price?

If it was like $300 a month less or something that might make a difference.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:49 (seventeen years ago) link

That's a pretty great location.

I know. It would be nice for a change to have a place I want to stay at for more than one lease. It ain't dirt cheap or anything, but I think I can grow into it. Buy furniture and bookshelves, the whole bit.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Devon Ave. is too far from Chicago.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link

what price?

$600, which, considering, feels like a rip-off.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Devon Ave. is too far from Chicago.

Heh. But think of the Indian food!

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link

$175 difference? see that's only $2100 per year

― bohren un der club of gear, Monday, 16 October 2006 22:53 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

that's a great hood. can you negotiate?

― grady (grady), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm seriously on the side of the nicer one.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I can see what they can do about the deposit. Because I have rotten credit, so the standard is to charge twice rent for deposit. If I can talk them down from that, that would be premium.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Only possible downside: it's *right* next to the train tracks. Like, I would have a view of them out the front and back door both, at eye level. But I think you'd get used to that pretty quick, right?

Jake: How often does the train go by?
Elwood: So often that you won't even notice it.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I know people who live next to the El and it's OK. But I would be concerned too. But it sounds great. The apartment, not the sound of the train.

Oh god, I never want to move again until I own my own place or am dead.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

But I would love to be in Jenny and Jeff's place. God how I would love that.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

They're in your hood, bro. Faggots everywhere you turn.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/apa/220591788.html

I am considering the trade off of size vs. location and amenities.

xpost-- that's not MY hood. The density of fags is actually a con for me. I like where I am now in that regard...fag-friendly, but not choked with them.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Their place is great because of the Jewel next door. That is first and foremost. After that the other numerous pluses are great but they pale in comparison.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm so proud of Kenny. He's sat on top of the computer monitor for a solid hour without crapping on the screen.

$695 for an apartment in Lincoln Park? That's going to be mad small.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Kenan: The Lincoln Park apartment is not for you.

jesse: ok
why

Kenan: going to be about 400 sq ft, for one thing

jesse: yeh
i know

Kenan: and you'll hate the hood

jesse: no

Kenan: real yuppie

jesse: yeh

Kenan: lotsa breeders and babies all over the place
overpriced restaurants
nothing that's *not* overpriced
celebrities live in that neighborhood
i can't stand that part of town, except that it's very pretty
but it is, as Holden Caulfield would say, very phony

jesse: you killed the dream
;__;

Kenan: you can pay that much and live in a real chicago neighborhood and have a bigger place and be much happier, all at the same time

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Back me up here, people.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i wasn't really considering that place. but this place http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/apa/220020496.html seems nice.

anyway, first i need a job.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

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