probably my favorite rap album 2011

is it particularly different from when people used to call allen iverson a 'thug'

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:08 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

yes, you weirdo

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:11 PM (7 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

why are white journalists calling black entertainers 'thugs' different in this context than that one, particularly when it includes punchline comedic rappers like killa kyleon

also by "esperanto," i meant "the fat purple crayon scrawlings of a drooling 8 year old"

― regional pug (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:11 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

"it is the one that most baldly lays out the presumptions of its creators"

i dont see the fat purple crayon. try to zing again/

why are white journalists calling black entertainers 'thugs' different in this context than that one, particularly when it includes punchline comedic rappers like killa kyleon

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:12 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

this conversation has finally turned a corner

if you can't tell the difference between the treatment of allen iverson and a rap critic calling some rappers "thugs" then i really dunno what to tell you

great argument

"if you cant see why you're wrong and i'm right, i won't be bothered to explain it"

Can't believe a white journalist called Dr. Dre a "gangster"

that is weird, considering he wasnt one

http://pull.imgfave.netdna-cdn.com/image_cache/124961229015036.jpeg
regional thugs

http://i.imgur.com/96qJ5.png

is that on a tape? (last thing I heard of his was a few tracks on Dash Effect) xxpost

― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:11 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

it's his new radio single (except it's "good good night" when they play it on the radio obv)

fwiw deej as someone who listens to mostly LOL CHILLWΔVE and like, ambient drone, the fact that the REGIONAL THUG bubble included a wider variety of rappers (both in style AND quality!) and is thus more insulting than other bubbles like DESPERATE BENEFACTORS and GUYS WHO THINK ITS 1993 is legit baffling to me

i mean: roping a bunch of disparate rappers under one bubble can come across as implying those distinctions are trivial, not worth listening for or caring abt &c &c &c but its hard to see the term REGIONAL THUG as an actual textual insult and also every other category does the same thing, in an effort to make a point abt diffusion/popularity? so it seems weirdly parochial to care so much abt this one bubble, i guess, or to make such strong claims abt its intent/effect

years ago on t0m breih4n's old blogspot page all the links on his blogroll were humorous or silly descriptions of the writers, including "d4vid dr4ke being just a baby, man" which i thought was really weird and confusing for a long time and i asked deej and apparently it was just t0m being amazed or impressed by how young he was. but every time deej loses his shit on ilx and cries about everyone being mean to him, the phrase "d4vid dr4ke being just a baby, man" automatically pops into my head.

I should have known by the way that you stared
Eyeing passes by like you're rich but life ain't fair
But you make my record skip
Make my record skip
Make my record skip
Make my record skip
I would have never talked to you if I had known you was a regional thug
Hey, regional thug (you're damn right)
I would have never talked to you if I had known you was a regional thug
Hey, regional thug (you're damn right)

i mean: roping a bunch of disparate rappers under one bubble can come across as implying those distinctions are trivial, not worth listening for or caring abt &c &c &c but its hard to see the term REGIONAL THUG as an actual textual insult and also every other category does the same thing, in an effort to make a point abt diffusion/popularity? so it seems weirdly parochial to care so much abt this one bubble, i guess, or to make such strong claims abt its intent/effect

― є(٥_ ٥)э, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

well, i dont think it's the only problem w/ the chart if you were wondering, its just one that i brought up that these guys chose to harp on. i mean, when this first hit i criticized other stuff too.

the point abt diffusion & popularity would be a good one if it didnt seem like it was intent on making certain artists also seem considerably more significant than i think they are to most hip hop fans, like it doesn't just pull the magnifying glass wayyyy out on certain strains of hip-hop (and lump those strains together) but it also zooms way in to the pt where you're talking about non-entities like smoke dza as if he's even worth a data point like this, while other artists are left off of the chart entirely

i'm not sure what the 'such strong claims' i'm making about its intent/effect are; i criticized it the way i would any piece of music journalism that seemed particularly wrong headed to me

xp's to the face display name

years ago on t0m breih4n's old blogspot page all the links on his blogroll were humorous or silly descriptions of the writers, including "d4vid dr4ke being just a baby, man" which i thought was really weird and confusing for a long time and i asked deej and apparently it was just t0m being amazed or impressed by how young he was. but every time deej loses his shit on ilx and cries about everyone being mean to him, the phrase "d4vid dr4ke being just a baby, man" automatically pops into my head.

― i already regret not just being 'some dude' again (Mr. Stevenson #2), Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:25 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

you're such a dick dude!

lmfaooooo

like, who is 'crying' here? i'm annoyed at you jordan and whiney, i'm not feeling persecuted or something

i'm just being honest, that pops into my head on a weekly basis without me willing it at all

http://www.nataliedee.com/053110/butt-hurt-for-everybody.jpg

natalie deej

you're actually being a crybaby about me calling you a crybaby fyi

im just being honest, i think you're a colossal dick on a weekly basis \oO/

i'm not sure what the 'such strong claims' i'm making about its intent/effect are; i criticized it the way i would any piece of music journalism that seemed particularly wrong headed to me

'those underlying assumptions are a huge part of what is wrong w/ the critical apparatus about rap more broadly'

its just one that i brought up that these guys chose to harp on.

don't act like you haven't harped on REGIONAL THUG on the blog & on twitter multiple times since the chart dropped

i mean, i think they're indicative of the way the press follows certain micro trends but ignores other larger ones. i'm not sure that is such a strong claim XP

im just being honest, i think you're a colossal dick on a weekly basis \oO/

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:31 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

the difference is i'm ok with being a dick, being called a dick, admitting to it, and not dwelling on it

"regional dick" on the other hand...

don't act like you haven't harped on REGIONAL THUG on the blog & on twitter multiple times since the chart dropped

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:33 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

what does that have to do w/ ilx? you're a part of all three of those convos but people here aren't

"regional dick" on the other hand...

― i already regret not just being 'some dude' again (Mr. Stevenson #2), Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:34 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

you can suck my dick region

rofl

I'm so glad that moving to the sandbox hasn't affected you guys at all

what does that have to do w/ ilx? you're a part of all three of those convos but people here aren't

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:34 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark

ilx convos happen in a vacuum now?

i don't care what anyone says, i think the breih4n story is a gem

oh man is there a sandbox ZING thread xp to deej

gonna be super fucking glad to see gun sounds go

― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, December 4, 2011 8:27 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

this was a good thread name. i dont think we've really missed so far on these although i am concerned abt the upcoming year

'gun sounds' was a quality pick esp if i remember the other nominations correctly

tbh in retrospect i supposed rolling regional thug isn't bad either, i guess it does reflect the splintered decentralized discourse or w/e

actually i'm not sure it does in that 'regions' are less relevant in the internet era, so i'm back to preferring 'white girl'

i'm down w/ either -- "rolling regional thug" makes sense to me cuz the thread has always more or less been about the "regional thugs" but "rolling white girl" would work too

white girl has the double meaning

rip racks on racks

man this puts such a smile on my face

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFeahxLRJLI

white girl has the double meaning

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:49 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

wait a 'double meaning' beyond the one that was the subject of shitty young jeezy songs like 5 years ago?

well yes, but that still relates back to the central focus of the thread, historically speaking

well, there's also the white girls being well-known rappers now thing which wasn't the case back then

right, and that would be the first meaning

yeah but i mean going WORDPLAY! over that is just kinda tame

i'm just sayin

its even worse when you guys are getting along