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You clearly haven't read upthread.

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Saturday, 30 December 2006 23:59 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 31 December 2006 00:39 (seventeen years ago) link

the playing pieces are small rubber brains and each team plays for "brain" cards. Each player uses his or her brains to get more brains, and the team with the most brains wins.

So the player uses their brain to respond to environmental stimuli in the form of questions and develops a bigger and better brain as a result? Sounds a bit like that scientific theory I can't quite recall right now.

Maaarghk C (Maaarghk C), Sunday, 31 December 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

personally i think this literalist creationism is more of a danger to christianity than straight up atheist evolution.

how many kids raised in a strict literalist tradition with little coverage in high school of the factual, experimentally-proven aspects of evolution go to college and have their minds blown?

i knew several. once you have the educational background to read about or even reproduce some of the science proving selection and mutation and so on, it's a little impossible to argue against. throw in some bad life experiences ("why would a love God do this to me?"), some hypocrisy ("but that guy told me hot man sex was evil!"), etc etc and whallah, it's really easy to lose faith. it happened to several christian friends i had as a kid.

dawkins's brood and the literalist christians pit creation as the full on opposite of evolution. accept one or the other.

in that game, dawkins wins.

unfortunately for his religious movement, literalist creationism will probably go away except for fringe groups. more and more future christians will get the mutation.

to quote one of our 4th century church fathers, St. Augustine:

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.

i know it's infuriating that our own president could legislate his religious beliefs, but given who we're talking about, is it shocking?
m.

msp (msp), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Personally, I at first found organised christianity to be....stupid for many reasons, but these are the main ones:
There are like 24 commandments, but the first ten are OBVIOUSLY more important, because...BECAUSE!!!
There's no devli in the bible, no 'fall,' barely anything similar to hell.
The 4 gospels are vastly different in parts, but they're all true and all the word of god, just like all kinds of letters Jesus' friends wrote each other.
There's nothing in the book that says there are no other Gods, just that the Jews weren't allowed to worship them.
The book of revelations was written by a man whom, as I recall, was exiled to an island alone for 20 years. If you DON'T see flying scorpions with lions teeth and human faces after 20 years alone you're fucked up.
After the new covenant those 'ten' commandments are irrelevant. There are 2. But you should follow those other 'ten' anyway.....BECAUSE!

So for years I was a kind of outside-the-box- christian.
Then I realised many fundamental beleifs of xhristianity that AREN'T contradicted in other parts of the book(why is Song of Solomon in there? it's a porno!) contradicted mine to a great deal.
So I quit it.
For the longest time I was pro christianity, but not for me.

Then I figured out that the majority of the book doesn't sit well with me as a basis of one's life. On top of that, it's hard for me to meet a christian without their beliefs interfering with me conversing comfortably(alot of my friends are athiests, gay, Japanese and so religious but not christian). Well, one of us ends up uncomfortable.

There are exceptions to that last bit.

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
meanwhile, down in Texas...

A Republican member of the Texas House wants to ban the teaching of evolution, claiming that the Big Bang Theory is actually from the Pharisee Religion, and they really shouldn't be teaching religion in school.

Oh yeah, and Einstein and Carl Sagan were Kabbalists. Really.

"You ought to teach creation as well as the fact of evolution," Mr. Chisum said, though he said "all of those kinds of sciences have holes in them. ... But I'm not about teaching religion in schools."

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

oh yeah, and the webite they cite:

http://fixedearth.com/

The non-moving Earth

& anti-evolution web page of

The Fair Education Foundation, Inc.

Exposing the False Science Idol of Evolutionism,
and Proving the Truthfulness of the Bible from Creation to Heaven...

- since 1973 -

Marshall Hall, Pres.

***

EXTRA! EXTRA!

Read all about the Copernican and Darwinian Myths

(and their many ramifications going all the way to Kabbala-based Big Bangism!)

IN OVER NINETY LINKS BELOW....

Attacking Darwin is pretty standard for these people, but going after Copernicus is a new one. I do hope they target the 2nd law of thermodynamics next.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

The layout and writing style of that page reminds me of a Victorian music hall poster.

Chap (chap), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

You'd think that'd make it cooler, though....

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

When I am a member of the Texas House I am going to propose that we only teach Time Cube.

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

(Marshall Hall, BS. MA + 2 years:...Advanced International Studies Ph.D. Program)

ned trifle XIV (ned trifle XIV), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

What would that BS stand for?

ned trifle XIV (ned trifle XIV), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

The supporting quotes for the book are terrific.

'Yvonne Anderson, High School Sophomore: "I have read the book which has totally and without a doubt disproved the theory of evolution for me."'

Gosh, you'd think it would be more well known.

ned trifle XIV (ned trifle XIV), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I like that her response seems extremely sarcastic.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link

meanwhile, down in Kansas...

oh wait! they did good. it's not all bad news here, people. sometimes the way people write about these things makes it seem like there's this inexorable encroaching tide of ignorance sweeping all in its path before it, but creationists have actually been handed a string of defeats over the past year.

Kansas education board repeals science guidelines questioning evolution

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Good. good for them. Cute that the article actually mentions the Daily Show, too.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

fun with textbook disclaimer stickers

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Monday, 19 February 2007 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i really hate the wording on the cobb county textbooks - everything in ANY textbook should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered, but these medieval book-burners are just using it as an acceptable stand-in for 'aint true!!!'

and what (ooo), Monday, 19 February 2007 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

It's just a theory! it's not proven!

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Monday, 19 February 2007 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

i guess it does expose the fact that these idiots think theres stuff (LIKE BIBLES LOL) that shouldnt ever be approached with an open mind or critically considered

and what (ooo), Monday, 19 February 2007 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Looking a bit more into the Texas State Rep who submitted that loony geocentric/creationist legislation. Turns out his campaign manager is actually married to the fixedearth guy. Oh, and here's the original memo submitted, the one that the State Rep didn't actually read before passing it on. The fun bits start about the 2nd paragraph, and you can always tell serious political writing when it involved italics, in bold, underlining, and exclamation marks.

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Monday, 19 February 2007 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

And what happens when the fixedearth guys gets into an argument with the creationist folks over a book review. It contains such lines as:

Christian Creationism is controlled by those who are doctrinally wedded to Zionist Dispensational goals. This marriage has blinded the Creationist leadership to the fact that both the Zionist and the Dispensational concepts come from that same 13th century anti-Christ Kabbalist source as did Relativism, Big Bangism, and the Expanding Universe concepts. Add it up!

and accompanying abuses of html.

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Monday, 19 February 2007 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Bumper sticker wanted: "Honk if you're a Big Bangist too"

StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 07:17 (seventeen years ago) link

thankyou for introducing me to fixedearth.com. bleh.

Frogm@n henry (Frogm@n henry), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 07:52 (seventeen years ago) link


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