obv he has his srs moments but i really view yela as more of a goofy character than anything
― furnace mane, Saturday, 3 December 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
ugh that Future album
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, 4 December 2011 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
rapping about the scenery of impoverished america with a super serious demeanor is, like, half the point of rap music
― v-shasty, Saturday, December 3, 2011 2:27 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink
yeah i just mean he doesnt hold my attention & i dont think he's as great a rapper as everyone else seems to, there's a lot of skill to what he's doing but it just doesnt engage me at a gut level
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, 4 December 2011 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
man I couldn't disagree more w/ 'yayodancing' abt the Trouble albums either. his 1st one is way more consistent
there has been plenty of good rap music released this year but i kind of feel like rap as a whole is kind of stagnant atm, it makes me depressed
/thinkinbaoutthings
― k3vin k., Sunday, 4 December 2011 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
i've found plenty of tapes this year that I really like, i don't think it's stagnant. I just think that most of bloggers are just following the same artists that released good albums a year ago (or longer in Juicy J's case)
like that Juicy J record is fun but so one dimensional & each tape has like 3-4 jams on it at most
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, 4 December 2011 00:58 (twelve years ago) link
I just cant get over how unlistenable that Future record is, though. its like an hour of autotuned half-sung rap cliches
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, 4 December 2011 01:01 (twelve years ago) link
And while I like this year's Coke Boys tape the 1st one of those is better to me as well
i just mean in terms of like overall narrative and shared experience. i feel like my taste is so out of tune with what is popular/selling/getting airplay in the last few years. death of monoculture and all that but i hate even the huge rap albums that everyone irl has heard/loves. it just makes me sad, that our megastar auteurs or whatever are dudes like kanye and drake. where is the king of the past 3 years or so?
xxp
― k3vin k., Sunday, 4 December 2011 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
i haven't heard that future tape that he put at no 1
― v-shasty, Sunday, 4 December 2011 01:04 (twelve years ago) link
i don't wanna be a wet blanket or anything but it's just something that's been bugging me lately
― k3vin k., Sunday, 4 December 2011 01:05 (twelve years ago) link
oh yeah i agree w/ that kev, i was just thinking today about how few of those 100k+ selling rap albums i actually like.
there's a lot riding on meek mill for me right now lol
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, 4 December 2011 01:05 (twelve years ago) link
re: future, dude can kill hooks, there's no doubt. his rapping though is just the emptiest shit.
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, 4 December 2011 01:07 (twelve years ago) link
i think it's kind of adorably ironic how a guy called Future sounds like all the worst parts of 2008 rap
― i already regret not just being 'some dude' again (Mr. Stevenson #2), Sunday, 4 December 2011 01:39 (twelve years ago) link
i think it's just a distillation of all that shit being called "futuristic"
― v-shasty, Sunday, 4 December 2011 01:54 (twelve years ago) link
k3v goons have been feeling that way for like the past 5 years
― dayo, Sunday, 4 December 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link
idk I remember deej and/or j0rd starting a 'state of the rap union address' thread like clockwork every 6 months
― dayo, Sunday, 4 December 2011 02:13 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i've definitely been feeling more 'out of it' w/ each passing year but i've kinda made peace with it and appreciate that the climate right now is at least kind of allowing for more plurality in the rap world than at other times in the past. there's always gonna be a lane for whatever you like, whether it's the biggest lane at the moment or not.
― i already regret not just being 'some dude' again (Mr. Stevenson #2), Sunday, 4 December 2011 02:23 (twelve years ago) link
there's always gonna be a lane for "whatever you like"
― v-shasty, Sunday, 4 December 2011 02:24 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i mean i think at this point it's esp weird because the things that i thought would be constants aren't due to the internet, so things are def a lot more unpredictable in some ways than in the past.
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, 4 December 2011 02:25 (twelve years ago) link
messy marv needs to blow up...fast
― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, 4 December 2011 02:48 (twelve years ago) link
im pretty excited about where things are going from a production standpoint atm, less thrilled about most of the rapping but somehow that feels less dire than being stuck living through bad production trends. great new rappers are always forthcoming, its inevitable
― wil smif, Sunday, 4 December 2011 02:54 (twelve years ago) link
the yayodancing top list is terrible
― sisilafami, Sunday, 4 December 2011 02:55 (twelve years ago) link
looking forward to seeing your list, sisi
― wil smif, Sunday, 4 December 2011 02:56 (twelve years ago) link
― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:48 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
whats that about messy marv and blow
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, 4 December 2011 02:56 (twelve years ago) link
I feel like this goes hand in hand with there being no obv thread title for next year
― furnace mane, Sunday, 4 December 2011 06:46 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9xflk6o7U0
Love how they flipped that Outkast song '13th Floor/Growing Old'
― Scotty Magee, Sunday, 4 December 2011 07:01 (twelve years ago) link
― furnace mane, Sunday, December 4, 2011 12:46 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink
what weird about this is more that there's just no single sound for "lowest" common denominator rap right now. like, no snap/ringtone/'swag surfin' type shit that didnt exist at those times either. tony montana trick is ... rap cliche + autotune, which we've already done.
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, 4 December 2011 09:24 (twelve years ago) link
the white rapper things comes closest but i feel like that wont continue for a full year
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, 4 December 2011 09:25 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno, the weird thing about that is that being a white rapper now isn't really very novel at all. this isn't to say a white rapper can't be novel or even have a novel spin on being a white rapper, but it feels like being a white rapper is no longer something notable in and of itself.
― furnace mane, Sunday, 4 December 2011 10:24 (twelve years ago) link
well, i just mean in the past year they've been really crawling all over the place. it just feels like a particular trend of the moment, w/ crass commercializing operators like Diddy & Master P finding their "own white guy" rappers it feels kinda like its reached some kind of new saturation point
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, 4 December 2011 11:19 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, back when houston was bubbling there was no way tow down AND paul wall were both gonna make it ...
it was pretty hilarious when asher roth got signed to def jam to do a 2nd major label album within DAYS of mac miller's album doing big numbers
― i already regret not just being 'some dude' again (Mr. Stevenson #2), Sunday, 4 December 2011 12:35 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno if it is the white rappers thing being notable as much as it is white rappers doing something other than sizzurp-south-rap
― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, 4 December 2011 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
i thought people would have got over the whole white rappers thing a decade ago, with eminem?
― lex pretend, Sunday, 4 December 2011 13:55 (twelve years ago) link
can't really fathom how much of a moron you'd have to be to think it's a notable thing now
― lex pretend, Sunday, 4 December 2011 13:56 (twelve years ago) link
i guess in ten years we'll still be talking about female rappers as a thing! good fucking god
― lex pretend, Sunday, 4 December 2011 13:57 (twelve years ago) link
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv300/Superintenddent/Oh-Boy-here-we-go-again.jpg
― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, 4 December 2011 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
wow, lex, it's almost as if you make an exercise of not listening to things and then sound like a horse's ass when you open your mouth in front of people who do
― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, 4 December 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
rolling solo cup thread would be pretty hilar
― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, 4 December 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
howzaboutthis lex -- white rappers as a thing obv ain't new, but the majority of white rappers were people like Lil Wyte, Haystak, or Paul Wall, doing Houston or midwest regioned south-sizzurp rap that was mostly only heard by the hardcore hip hop head community....(ok lol Bubba Sparxx but there are still people I know who didn't know he was white, despite the numerous pics of him on the interwebs)
but in the mainstream, there are more of them with higher commercial profiles now than in recent years, ie Yelawolf, Mac Miller, Asher Roth, etc...two of whom dropped major label releases within a month of each other.
when Eminem first dropped, it was kinda like there was an unwritten edict that only one white rapper could occupy the mainstream at a time.
― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, 4 December 2011 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
that's still not what we're talking abt!
― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, 4 December 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
(ok ok Mac Miller's wasn't 'major label', but dude's cd fills up the majority of the racks in the rap section at Best Buy right now, other than the gazillion copies of Carter IV that didn't sell)
― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, 4 December 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:19 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink
― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, 4 December 2011 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
xpost
― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, 4 December 2011 14:45 (twelve years ago) link
White rap in the 00s was basically people painting struggles and underdocumented lives the same way as black rappers has been doing for years, just through their own lens, whether it was white trash Michigan (Eminem), rural country ish (Bubba Sparxxx, Haystak) or Houston hoods (Paul Wall). Yelawolf is actually a throwback to this and is not what we're talking about
The Mac Miller/Asher Roth thing is dorky white guys bragging about college and privelege (like 90s non-starters like Jesse Jaymes and Big Men On Campus) and their lyrics are about beerbongs and solo cups. When ILXors say "white" about these guys, it's meant to be spoken with the same derogatory tone as "Stuff White People Like" not just the color of their skin
― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, 4 December 2011 14:47 (twelve years ago) link
sooooo you find this kinda-sorta-marketing trend on the part of major labels interesting? there have always been a few white rappers floating aroud. (uk perspective) none of the current lot even come close to bubba sparxxx's success.
whiney what can i say, i listen to stuff all the time, but i just don't find things interesting just because i'm told they are by major labels.
― lex pretend, Sunday, 4 December 2011 14:47 (twelve years ago) link
xpost that was for you Lex, because everyone else on here knows that. read it.
i was gonna say, fratboy rap as an aesthetic is probably more on point as a thing to talk about (except what is there to talk about at this point beyond "it sucks"?)
mac miller is one i haven't heard, i've assumed that if i dislike asher roth i'll have no use for him.
― lex pretend, Sunday, 4 December 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, when people on ILX say "the white rapper thing in 2011" we mean "fratboy rap."
― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, 4 December 2011 14:49 (twelve years ago) link