otm
― iatee, Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:50 (twelve years ago) link
i have a standup snob thing, which i've meant to get into on the rolling comedy thread at some point, but my pet theory is that any comedic actor who kind of starts doing standup after they've had some success or fame just performing in or writing scripted comedy is not a true standup and their shit is usually wack in that environment even if they're generally funny and talented
― Mr. Stevenson #2, Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
like that old 'young comedians showcase' HBO special where John Candy hosts and does a few minutes of material before introducing the comics, i'm just like no dude, i love you but no, this is not you
― Mr. Stevenson #2, Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:52 (twelve years ago) link
"armchair cracker" is just a much funnier and snappier way of saying "i'm white btw"
― v-shasty, Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:53 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not sure if it's that having fame before standup means you're going to be bad at standup. I think it's more that standup is really its own discipline to such an extent that you need to practice and work really hard at it to get a level of comfort and to be successful on the stage. More likely that if you're already famous, you're not necessarily willing to put in that work -- or you'll sub in the stuff you're already comfortable with without developing the new skills. xp
― Mordy, Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:53 (twelve years ago) link
i thought golvbino got 'discovered' at NYU doing stand up, or was it improv?
― v-shasty, Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:54 (twelve years ago) link
xpost Robin Williams has had moments where he's not "on" and being a scene stealer. And that's usually when he's in an ensemble as well.
Neither DG nor williams have have much restraint, they're always going for the home run comedy moment when sometimes it would've served them better to lay off the shtick. There's also the lapses into bad taste they both share.
Anyway, Derrick Comedy is DG's equivalent of Robin's early stand-up career, Community is his Mork and Mindy, and the next fifteen years of him dominating either movies or tv is going to be like Robin's run in the late 80s and 90s.
― Cunga, Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:54 (twelve years ago) link
LOL @ the idea of donald glover "dominating either movies or TV"
adam brody is inescapable these days
I think the words "ian cohen" made "armchair cracker" or "i'm white btw" an unnecessary part of the pfork review
― iatee, Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:55 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.southernsavers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Cracker-Barrel-Logo.jpg
― Mordy, Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:55 (twelve years ago) link
how does henry rollins fit into all of this
― zachylon, Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:55 (twelve years ago) link
ftr i do wish donald glover had gotten the spiderman role
― zachylon, Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:56 (twelve years ago) link
Henry Rollins confronts Donald Glover about the use of the word Blipster in a NYC record shop xpost
― Cunga, Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:56 (twelve years ago) link
album would've had a lot more semen jokes
xp
― Mordy, Friday, December 2, 2011 11:53 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
that's exactly what i meant fwiw, i just didn't want to type all that out
― Mr. Stevenson #2, Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:58 (twelve years ago) link
oh, yeah, otm then
― Mordy, Saturday, 3 December 2011 04:59 (twelve years ago) link
plus it's also the refuge of guys who become comedy stars in TV or movies and then stop getting a lot of roles and realize they can make good money filling a comedy club any night of the week even if they're really not built for that line of work, which is how we get something like the Michael Richards debacle
― Mr. Stevenson #2, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:01 (twelve years ago) link
The second Community gets canceled he'd be offered his own show by FX and Comedy Central, probably network tv, and would get a first right of refusal for every single role that Aziz Ansari would get offered.
― Cunga, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:01 (twelve years ago) link
how many references to sister, sister does it to get to the center of donald glover
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:01 (twelve years ago) link
― Cunga, Friday, December 2, 2011 11:01 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
i just
― v-shasty, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:04 (twelve years ago) link
by proxy you're comparing the careers of robin williams and aziz ansari, which....
I get a little off-track, bear with me...
― Cunga, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:05 (twelve years ago) link
rereading this p4k article & wondering if maybe childish gambino doesn't lack self awareness per se but just isn't up to the minute on rap trends? i get the feeling that we're in a whineyesque bubble here, what was for the past two years a trickle of stereogum updates (Beyonce Ass Moved by Grizzly Bear Concert) has only really become a tide circa somewhere between mbdtf & take care. not sure how perceptible the trends ian cohen &c (myself incl) are distinctly aware of are on a macro/college campus level
― wil smif, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:17 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think that donald glover's awareness or unawareness of the growing intersection between rap and indie music has much to do w/ whether or not he succeeds in creating an outsider persona, unless you want to give him pity points for ignorance
― v-shasty, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
i think the outsider persona is more palpable to other audiences, incl ones that share that ignorance. not that that isn't an audience who also share the horrible taste & sense of humour. but in the same way most people hearing Foster the People are unaware of indie dance pop trends of the past three years, probably fewer are aware that it's indie rock artist bon iver mumbling crap eight minutes into a kanye single, or know who lil b is aside from a guy who makes funny jokes about bitches wanting to have sex with him for improbable reasons. and i think the childish gambino persona is considerably more novel if you're not clued into these micro-narratives. not that you're not an asshole if you like this music--but it frames an argument about his Self Awareness around audience groups & the reviewer's nerd knowledge rather than the music itself
― wil smif, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:34 (twelve years ago) link
but Strongo man you're breaking my heart
lol sorry man. god knows i've put in my time trying to like it. and it's not as if you don't know i watch hella tv so this isn't some Hipster Shits on Something He's Never Seen from His Olympian Williamsburg HQ or some shit.
― dr. strongo, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:41 (twelve years ago) link
there's something about the rhythm of it that's off to me. i get the same vibe from parks and rec and happy endings and a lot of other current shows. the 30 rock rhythm on +8 or something.
― dr. strongo, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:44 (twelve years ago) link
relatedly/unrelatedly i fell really hard for the drake album while ilx was down
― wil smif, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:45 (twelve years ago) link
community has a fabulous rythm & density of jokes imo but i hate 30 rock and parks & rec
― wil smif, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:46 (twelve years ago) link
what, we don't like auto-tune the news around here
― reddening, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:47 (twelve years ago) link
parks and rec makes me strangely angry, like i get really resentful that there arent any jokes [lazy childish gambino zing]
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:48 (twelve years ago) link
parks and rec makes me strangely angry because it's the third iteration of the office and i think we've all had enough at this point
― v-shasty, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:51 (twelve years ago) link
community is television for people who frame their Mensa membership cards but still eat boogers
― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:51 (twelve years ago) link
dying
― v-shasty, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:52 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― wil smif, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:54 (twelve years ago) link
Shit like this makes my fucking skin crawl: "If there was any doubt that Community was one of the smartest half-hour comedies to ever air on network television, allow us to enter this into evidence...."
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/11/community-beetlejuice-easter-egg/
Might as well replace "Community" with "xkcd" and "comedies" with "web comics" if that's your definition of smart. Oh, sigh, why couldn't Buñuel muster such droll commentary when he did Le Charme Discret de la Bourgeoisie?
― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:55 (twelve years ago) link
An endless string of meta-commentary and audience-aggrandizing patter was so **SMART** when it was called <i>Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back</i>. Get bent.
― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:57 (twelve years ago) link
you know we have a community thread
― reddening, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:58 (twelve years ago) link
haha i prefer this guy to whiney
― iatee, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:58 (twelve years ago) link
idg the using html tags thing
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:58 (twelve years ago) link
it's meta
― iatee, Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:59 (twelve years ago) link
And putting some imaginary line in the sand between this cutesy, hyper-pop-culturey, clever-qua-clever shitcom and the Twitter raps of Childish Gambino is like pretending Jackass didn't spawn the Steve-O rap album
― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Saturday, 3 December 2011 05:59 (twelve years ago) link
discreet charm of the bbcode
― dr. strongo, Saturday, 3 December 2011 06:00 (twelve years ago) link
what about arrested development, do you have a rant about that
― iatee, Saturday, 3 December 2011 06:00 (twelve years ago) link
I hear there's a movie coming out
http://skreened.com/render-product/e/w/a/ewawenekyfqmmowxcaax/ham-squad.american-apparel-unisex-fitted-tee.white.w760h760.jpg
― v-shasty, Saturday, 3 December 2011 06:01 (twelve years ago) link
arrested development sucked/sucks shit too, but i dont need to make longwinded hipster refs to express that.
― dr. strongo, Saturday, 3 December 2011 06:01 (twelve years ago) link
i have to say the buñuel reference convinced me its not whiney
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Saturday, 3 December 2011 06:02 (twelve years ago) link