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I don't know if I'd disagree with any of that, actually. It's just that given their makeup, Yes's version of "exhausted, trying way to hard to do something" was creating these furious keyboard and guitar battles behind snappy tunes in 7/8 time. And however forced it sounds, unlike "Awaken" (which, at 16, was nirvana to me), Relayer's forced in directions you never would have expected them to go.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I've always wondered what all the CttE records would sound like w/Bruford in the band. I bet I would have liked them a lot more -- it seems like he managed to make stuff sound tighter, more spidery just by being around. and yet w/Relayer, I almost wish was more noisy and chaotic than it is -- the big jam in Gates of Delirium is actually kind of awesome, but still basically sounds like a big, long rock jam to me, instead of heaven and earth crashing down. not sure if bruford could have made it that, but Yes always manages to sound "pretty" to me, maybe moreso than they wanted to?

listening to "Sound Chaser" now, this whole first third of the tune is great -- it's like avant disco prog (which is awesome just on principle)

― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

"Awaken" (which, at 16, was nirvana to me)

Age or minutes? :-D

At last, a thread whose (nearly) every word I agree with! The Yes Album, CTTE and Relayer, best music before 1980.

Yeah, I said that*.

BTW, has there been a tribute act called 'Yeah' yet? And if not, can I start it? And will people not confuse it for an LCD Soundsystem tribute act?

Better still, Dominique has referenced Cardiacs. Thanks to Mr. Everything 1967 (you can blame him), their output is now all mine. I haven't really gotten past Sing To God, though; that album is, and again I freely permit you to quote me on this, perhaps second only to Mansun's Six on my 90's list. If they remind you of Yes, they're both in exalted company! Myself, I'm yet to figure out whom they actually remind me of. Probably for the better that I don't, I don't want the spell broken just yet...

*As for actually talking about their actual music, I'll go into that after posting my 'big statement' (i.e. this)

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

*'actually talking about their actual music' = a literary abomination, take my life, please. WHY NO EDIT FUNCTION ILX WHY

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno, I thought it was kinda funny...

― adam beales (pye poudre), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8830/shakirayesrr7.jpg

And The Yes Album wins everytime.

― MRZBW (MRZBW), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 02:52 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.planete.qc.ca/quisuisje/images/jon-anderson-yes.jpg

― Eisbär (Eisbär), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

OWNER OF A LONELY HEART

― davidcarp (davidcarp), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link

"I've always wondered what all the CttE records would sound like w/Bruford in the band."

Butbutbut... Bruford is the drummer on CttE...

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 12 February 2007 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

White was a pretty fucking phenomenal drummer in his own right, anyway.

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Monday, 12 February 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean post CttE. White was solid, but I wouldn't say phenomenal

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 12 February 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, maybe I have low standards, but his work throughout Relayer is IMO magnificent. His fills in the section from 12:47 to 14:49 of GOD (also the second-best section Yes ever did after 'Eclipse' and just ahead of 'Wurm') are actually perfect.

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Monday, 12 February 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

well I agree, I do like his playing -- I also like his pattern on "Awaken". he was a session drummer before playing w/Yes, and his time is good, he's a really "tasteful" drummer, never over plays. I prefer Bruford's playing though -- not only because he had all those some qualities, but I just think he was a more creative drummer in general.

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 12 February 2007 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Perhaps, and it's true to say that Bruford's drumming was entirely his own. Indeed, White is often content to groove whilst Bruford in the same situation would be trying out all sorts of rhythmical filigree. In such a brilliant band, however, White's restraint isn't a negative thing in the slightest, really. Bruford, it's true, was more creative, and CTTE (the song) features some of the best drumming ever laid to record.

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Monday, 12 February 2007 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Plus, White's grooves are intrinsically more awesome than most. He'd give that Can dude a run for his money. Seriously!

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Monday, 12 February 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

the big minus I have w/White is that he's a little heavy handed for me -- I like drummers that have lighter touches. Bruford had one, and cerainly Leibezeit had one. That said, I also like Bonham, heaviest hands of all time.

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 12 February 2007 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Heavy-handed = not afraid to play lead SAUCEPAN. The toppling of the whole crockery rack is one of the great moments in Yes' music!

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Monday, 12 February 2007 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

haha, well actually playing a saucepan goes in the plus column for me!

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 12 February 2007 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

So it should! Ooooh, d'ya reckon there's a case for GOD being the most flat-out awesome song released before 1980? Not necessarily that it is, but that it has a fair shot?

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Monday, 12 February 2007 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I have to jump off the Yes boat there

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 12 February 2007 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Fair enough. I'm guessing your answer would be Hendrix? Dylan? Gentle Giant? :P

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Monday, 12 February 2007 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

gosh, if the only criteria is pre-1980, I don't know what my answer would be. Somewhere in the neighborhood of Magma's "Hhai" / Capt & Tennille's "Love Will Keep Us Together" / Beach Boys "Can't Wait Too Long" / Peggy Lee "Is That All There Is?"

that's the neighborhood I want to live in

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 12 February 2007 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Magma...now THERE'S a band I've been meaning to investigate. Hmm...

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Monday, 12 February 2007 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, I bet if you like both Yes and Cardiacs, you'd like Magma (though they don't actually sound that much alike)

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 12 February 2007 18:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd be disappointed if they DID sound alike! Originality is the holy grail etcetera etcetera...

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Monday, 12 February 2007 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I haven't heard "Hhai" but I love the idea that there's a Magma song in the same neighbourhood as Captain and Tennille and Peggy Lee.

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Monday, 12 February 2007 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

well...

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 12 February 2007 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

caption this photo

http://www.worldofgenesis.com/CollinsBruford-1976.jpg

― bill sackter (bill sackter), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 08:11 (seventeen years ago) link

uhhh.. how bout "hi. we're both really great drummers." ??

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 08:17 (seventeen years ago) link

http://i7.tinypic.com/2111hg4.jpg

― bill sackter (bill sackter), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 08:40 (seventeen years ago) link

ok. anyway, i listened to jon and vangeles tonight.

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 08:43 (seventeen years ago) link

private collection? i had that lp, don't think i still have it....

― bill sackter (bill sackter), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 08:49 (seventeen years ago) link

no. i was listening to friends of dr cairo. ive never heard private collection. :(

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 08:53 (seventeen years ago) link

friends of MR cairo by jon and vangeLIS

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 08:54 (seventeen years ago) link

"Short Stories" by J & V is where it's at, Chaki. You have that?

― Jay Vee (Jay Vee), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 09:41 (seventeen years ago) link

nah ive only heard this one

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link

They'll never top "Khatru."

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Friends of Mr Cairo may be the worst LP I ever paid money for.

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

i didn't mind the title song to friends of mr. cairo. the rest didn't leave any impression at all.

― Eisbär (Eisbär), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:47 (seventeen years ago) link

caption this photo

I still love that story about the tour for A Trick Of The Tale where Bruford was so bored playing Collins' drum parts that he starting messing around with the time signatures.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:26 (seventeen years ago) link

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"Hey, our names rhyme!" "Yep. Initials, too."

― Myonga Vön Bontee (Monty Von Byonga), Thursday, 15 February 2007 05:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm loving "relayer" in no small part b/c it's almost zappa-esque (musically, NOT lyrically). esp. "sound chaser," which easily sounds like it could've been on läther.

― Eisbär (Eisbär), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:49 (seventeen years ago) link

The Musical Box's next project is going to be a re-creation of the Trick of the Tail tour, when Bruford drummed. The existing "Phil Collins" is going to take over lead vocals, and they'll be auditioning for a Bruford.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link

awww that sucks i was hopin they'd bring the lamb to the usa again. :(

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 15 February 2007 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link

a lot of people seem to end up liking Yes, or some of it, but I've asked a few people if there was maybe at least one good ELP song and they tend to look kind of queasy and implore you not to even put them on to find out for yourself. how bad? As bad as what? Worse than what?

― skooldog (skooldogg), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:36 (seventeen years ago) link

One good ELP song, and there aren't many, is "The Endless Enigma" from "Trilogy". It has a nice stirring hymn-like tune, and the playing isn't too wanky.

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:41 (seventeen years ago) link

lucky man is good in a totally acousticy, in the court of the crimson-king way. otherwise, no.

― akm (akmonday), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think ELP was that wanky. There's a lot of dynamism there.

― Tim Ellison is number one proponent of Beatle!!!Mania!!! on nu-ILX (tim ellison), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I've found Yes to be more rambling, honestly.

― Tim Ellison is number one proponent of Beatle!!!Mania!!! on nu-ILX (tim ellison), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

but ELP sounds irritating

― akm (akmonday), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

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I have their greatest hits on cassette. I don't think it's anything spectacular but they had some nice tunes. I haven't listened in ages though.

My old pop prof at York loves Yes up through CttE but ranks TfTO amongst the worst albums ever. I don't understand at all, now that I've finally got past my fears and checked out the album. It's different but not that different and in some ways it sums up a lot of what was so great about Yes. I think it holds together really well as an ambient fusion masterpiece. It makes me feel what spiritual hippie psychedelia should feel like.

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Friday, 16 February 2007 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

(I still put on the big 3 more often.)

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Friday, 16 February 2007 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

spiritual hippie psychedelia

this is jon anderson's world -- you can hear that to some extent in all the other Yes records in the 70s, and a lot of his solo stuff. I actually like it in small doses too (see "Wonderous Stories" on GftO for the smallest dose)

― Dominique (dleone), Friday, 16 February 2007 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link

moraz is a funny duck
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ionv8iRjyVA

― bliss (blass), Saturday, 17 February 2007 08:29 (seventeen years ago) link

you can hear that to some extent in all the other Yes records in the 70s, and a lot of his solo stuff

I've been singing the praises of Olias Of Sunhillow for a long fucking time in the face of equal parts ridicule, blankness and bewilderment. Anderson was always the heart of Yes, while Squire was the gonads, Howe the voice, Wakeman the dick and Bruford the soul.

― Lostandfound (David A.), Sunday, 18 February 2007 08:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I've always loved "Wondrous Stories." What else sounds like that? It's a relatively straightforward (at least by Yes standards) pop song but I can't really think of what it would be comparable to. Maybe CSNY for the vocal sound? But they don't have that guitar or keyboard sound and the melody is probably too British or something.

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Sunday, 18 February 2007 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

you want to hear "Soon" and "To Be Over"

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 19 February 2007 01:52 (seventeen years ago) link

that is secretly true of everyone, it's just that they don't know it yet.

i would also add 'Eclipse' from "And You And I" to that list.

― unfished business (Scourage), Monday, 19 February 2007 02:16 (seventeen years ago) link

"Wondrous Stories" is gorgeous, Squire's bass on this is so full and pushes the song along in a way that nobody else did until Peter Hook (let's say.). Plus the vocal harmonies are sweet and Wakeman's lines are bee-yoo-tiful.

Still don't get all the "Relayer"/Moraz love on these Yes threads. If anything, that's the most "let's fill every inch of space" constipated sounding Yes music (before the Rabin years).

― Jay Vee (Jay Vee), Monday, 19 February 2007 02:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I know those tracks, of course, and I like them. I meant what else that's not by Yes sounds like "Wondrous Stories" (though there's a quality to WS that even those tracks don't have for me.)

xpost Yes, Jay Vee has put his finger on part of it.

I'm beginning to reconsider 90125.

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Monday, 19 February 2007 02:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I said "Rabin years" even though there are things on 90125 that compare to the loveliness of classic Yes (i.e. "Hearts", "Changes"). Though I wish Howe had played/soloed on them rather than Rabin.

― Jay Vee (Jay Vee), Monday, 19 February 2007 02:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I reckon 'Wondrous Stories' could without too much change have fitted onto one of XTC's later albums. Or maybe an SFA record.

― unfished business (Scourage), Monday, 19 February 2007 03:18 (seventeen years ago) link

What XTC and SFA albums would be good starting points for this kind of thing?

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Monday, 19 February 2007 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

(SFA = Super Furry Animals, right? I'm not sure I've heard an entire song by them. I like Welsh accents, though.)

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Monday, 19 February 2007 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

BTW, I've been listening to Relayer and Going for the One all day because of this thread.

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Monday, 19 February 2007 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

XTC = get NONSUCH, it's one of the most criminally-underrated albums OF ALL TIME and it's easily XTC's best IMO. SFA is tougher. The comparison was essentially with SFA's gentler, more balladic material, but the two albums reputed to display this the most (Phantom Power and Mwng) are the two I don't have. I'd say the slower stuff on Radiator and Rings Around The World (both fantastic records) bears a certain (albeit far more oblique than XTC's) resemblance.

― unfished business (Scourage), Monday, 19 February 2007 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Early Roxy Music as well, obv.

― unfished business (Scourage), Monday, 19 February 2007 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link

i was reading this article in vanity fair last nite about this crazy dude that used to manage steven soderbergh and now is a right wing wacko who made some kind of gonzo jackass agitprop iraq documentary....anyway, in there it mentions that soderbergh made YES documentary before sex lies & videotape...anyone seen it?

― just m@tt he1g3s0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

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