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GERMS trailer?

― nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 13:13 (seventeen years ago) link

totally by the numbers

― a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link

well ray at least, i couldn't be bothered to see wtl

― a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link

i kind of got tired of music by the end of this film.

― maunders (maunders), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link

At least Ray featured Ray Charles' music, not Broadway versions of Charles songs.

So, does Hudson give a performance or is it just that one scene you all keep talking about?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link

GERMS trailer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrgfE8oANLQ

― jw (ex machina), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

might rent this one day (I already own earplugs)

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

So, does Hudson give a performance or is it just that one scene you all keep talking about?

She definitely gives a performance. After I stopped freaking out about AI's Season 3 7th-place finisher getting this amazing role, she really became Effie for me (I should note it only took me 5 minutes to get over the AI thing). Her portrayal was a lot more nuanced than I was expecting; both she and Eddie Murphy were extraordinary but everyone else was excellent.

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Is she the one who sang that totally showstopping number on AI, with the outrageously strong, long high note, and got voted off immediately afterwards?

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm glad Armond White's pan included a rant about what absolute shit the American Idol style of bellowing is.

http://www.nypress.com/19/51/film/ArmondWhite2.cfm

Heheh, I will definitely see Camp now.

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Ugh, the NY Press is now calling itself "New York's Premier Alternative Newspaper."

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Am I supposed to grovel in shame because I haven't seen one episode of American Idol?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

You're supposed to feel smug.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

or just old-fashioned (the standards thing)

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

(and I don't mean Tin Pan Alley standards, not explicitly)

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Is she the one who sang that totally showstopping number on AI, with the outrageously strong, long high note, and got voted off immediately afterwards?

Yes.

I continue to be amused by people who refer to a style of singing that is close to 40 years old as "the American Idol style". I also take issue with the implication that "Dreamgirls" somehow has a responsibility to be a factually-accurate biopic because it was inspired by The Supremes.

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha that's what I thought! Paul Sci-Fi Soul still has that episode on his Tivo.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I only demand songs that sound like a Supremes-inspired combo could perform them, not songs that sound like Broadway-inspired Supremes.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Um. Given where the musical came from, that's kind of... stupid?

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

the implication that "Dreamgirls" somehow has a responsibility to be a factually-accurate biopic

I wonder who implied this.

So there's credit to be given if it's faithful to something that wasn't good in 1981 either?

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I never cared for the source material.

The review you posted was pretty stupid though. Hasn't that critic seen The Umbrellas of Cherbourg?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Criticisms that boil down to "This isn't black enough" don't really fly with me so I apologize for any brusqueness. That is the undertone I get from the vast majority of complaints about the songs from this show; criticizing a Broadway musical for sounding like a Broadway musical doesn't make sense to me.

(xpost: Oh come on Morbs, that's what that Armond White review is complaining about, along with the token "I hate Eddie Murphy" aside. And yes, I think that there is some credit to be given for retaining so much of the flavor of the source material after translating from the stage to the screen; if they hadn't done that part well, everything else would have been moot and no one would care if the songs were Motown-worthy or not.)

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link

(hahaha note to self: do not rely on Wikipedia. Pretend I didn't say the Eddie Murphy nonsense)

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Armond is generally a solid Murphy fan (he raved about NP2: The Klumps).

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, two seconds of googling cleared up my Wiki-induced misconceptions. I meant to delete that anyway; stupid switching between windows messing up my editing.

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

morbius you should watch more new movies instead of just posting links to armond white reviews of them

― a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I gen only link to stuff I wouldn't watch stoned.

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

zing, right?

― a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

goddamn shame that armond white is the single holdover from the old white/seitz/cheshire trio.

― bohren un der club of gear (bohren un der club of gear), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

A.W. is linkable and royally entertaining when he really hates something.

Someone on a gaygaygay board said at the premiere engagement here at the Ziegfeld, some guy was singing along to the whole damn thing in his seat til an usherette came over with her flashlight and said, "Girl, control yourself."

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

this movie sounds totally unwatchable (and I like musicals)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

How do you mean? Should more of them be around or is that an "ANYONE BUT HIM" statement?

(xpost: roffle)

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

ANYONE BUT HIM

― bohren un der club of gear (bohren un der club of gear), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

it's really eminently watchable even if some people don't find it listenable.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Dan why do you characterize the "American Idol"-style as being roughly 40 years old...? I thought we had Mariah Carey to blame for all that melismatic scale-running R&B stuff.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

this movie sounds totally unwatchable (and I like musicals)

SEAL OF APPROVAL.

― The Many Faces of Gordon Jump (Leon), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

oh haha i was at one of the ziegfeld things and the crowd was like half gay, and half black, with quite a bit of crossover. before it started, i went to the bathroom and there was a huuuge line for the stalls, but the urinals were ok. who does coke/gloryhole action right before a movie?!?! (a non-porn movie)

i had never been to a movie before where people cheered during the movie, and hung around during the credits to give hearty appluase when a performer's name came up.

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

well, let's hope it's the last time.

(didn't they charge $25 a ticket?!?)

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

well, let's hope it's the last time.

? I love it when people cheer at movies.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I am a big sap, though. that probably explains why I loved Dreamgirls so much, too.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I only heard of the musical two years ago. This makes me a Bad Fag, I suppose.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

i still want to see this although it looks like I'll have to go alone.

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

go with morbius!

― a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

ppl applauding at movies are cheering their own fabulousness (which is no surprise in this instance). Still, the projectionist should come out for a bow.

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Morbs needs to take me to see Inland Empire.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

So this is now the gay film fan date thread?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

We needed to replace the old Brokeback thread.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

(didn't they charge $25 a ticket?!?)

oh i dunno, i got for free.

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

SCENESTER

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I only heard of the musical two years ago. This makes me a Bad Fag, I suppose.

i still havent seen brokeback mountain!

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

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(also total agreement with "West Side Story" as the bomb-diggety musical; see also "Candide")

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

come to think of it, I never really fully made my point yesterday about melisma in opera. regardless of whether the origin of e.g. bel canto and baroque cadenzas is with the composer, and regardless of how common embellishment and elaboration are today, and regardless of questions of authenticity/rockism, my fundamental point was that melisma - the repetition of a single syllable over several notes - is commonplace in all operatic composition in a way that is rather alien to contemporary pop songwriting. thus, the existence of melisma in opera is irrelevant here, unless you want to use "melisma" to refer only to operatic melisma that you deem analogous to the melismatic vocal style in contemporary pop. at which point, you get into all the other issues above.

By that logic, the movie "High Fidelity" and "Magnolia" are also musicals.

i've never seen high fidelity, but i just saw magnolia for the first time, and don't remember any music except for the sudden/random breaks into song that are (?) shakey's signifiers for musical-ness. i'm not sure what i'd call that, myself.

― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, pretty much WSS is the apotheosis. Does anything else have as pivotal a place?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.musical.it/bottega/images/Steve_Martin_dentista.JPG

― Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

That's not meant to be a reply to Ned.

― Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I was very disappointed to learn of (and see) the non-musical Little Shop of Horrors.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Assassins=love...apparently I like my musicals bloody.

Me too.

― The Many Faces of Gordon Jump (Leon), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

So how many of us had dentists who knew the song Ally posted the still from and loved singing it at times? (I had two.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

All stage plays should be bloody. Shakespeare started off with things like Titus Andronicus and just got more restrained about it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesus Ned, wtf kind of dentists did you have?

― Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Slightly disturbing ones. This was the eighties and I had no immediate say over what dentists I chose. (Thankfully they didn't do this ALL the time.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

These were military doctors, weren't they.

― Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Gabbneb, have you ever seen the sheet music for pop music? Unless it's aimed at pre-teens, they write all that shit out; the wierd off-rhythms, the blue notes, the melismatic sections... it's all pretty much there (which is another reason why so many covers follow the recorded originals as closely as they do).

(xpost: The rest of the time they sang "D'Ya Think I'm Sexy" to him.)

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link

These were military doctors, weren't they.

Strangely enough, no. But in military towns, so...

The rest of the time they sang "D'Ya Think I'm Sexy" to him.

The reasons for not thinking much about my youth grow ever clearer to me.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Ugh what a horrible image I am getting in my head.

― Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link

not in a very long time, but i'm not sure i understand the point. most pop music (pop being a very broad term here) has little to none of the sort of melisma employed regularly in opera, no? stuff sung in the melismatic vocal style, even if the music is written out, is just a fraction of the pop music out there.

― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:59 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...

This thread was missed.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 17 February 2007 08:34 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

fyi the original soundtrack is unbelievably badass, in case you didn't know

― OH NOES, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link

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