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Missing the 60s
December 1, 2011 11:18 A.M.
By Mona Charen

The always engaging Michael Barone theorizes that Mitt Romney sounds corny because he “missed the Sixties.” Is that a bad thing? He was married and had two small children to care for in the 60s. No time to occupy anything, smoke pot, or have casual sex. I can live with that in a potential president. Don’t you wish everyone had missed the 60s?

Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link

I'm fine with Mona missing the '10s, really.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

I'm glad Herman's Hermits didn't miss the '60s. They wrote some excellent songs.

clemenza, Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

mitt is older than i thought!

slandblox goole, Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link

Sounds like Herman is anything but a hermit, yknowhatimsayin'

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link

yeah I always forget how old mitt is, he looks good for his age

iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:46 (twelve years ago) link

I'm glad Herman's Hermits didn't miss the '60s. They wrote some excellent songs.

you may have irrevocably damaged your credibility here.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:47 (twelve years ago) link

Romney's first kid wasn't born until 1970.

dyao think i'm sexy (jaymc), Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:47 (twelve years ago) link

It's the magic undergarments. xps

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:47 (twelve years ago) link

Herman gets around - more of a Beach Boys kinda dude

M. White, Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:47 (twelve years ago) link

Romney's first kid wasn't born until 1970.

It's Mona's kind of hogwash culture war neurosis coupled with a complete disregard for any kind of facts or fact-checking that makes me wonder whether these voters have, like, sleep apnea or overexposure to lead that has killed off too many brain cells.

M. White, Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:49 (twelve years ago) link

If you don't love "Must to Avoid" or "Mrs. Brown, You've Got a Lovely Daughter," well, I don't what to say.

How to keep this secret from Republican voters? "If you're on the DNC/Obama email lists, you notice that the other team doesn't bother attacking Newt. This isn't complicated. They worry about Romney. They don't worry about facing Gingrich."

clemenza, Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

Is Mike Love a Herman Cain kinda dude tho?

Where is that Show Me Pictures Of Mike Love With Weirdoes thread when yo need it?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/06/article-0-0D11A9BD000005DC-910_634x449.jpg

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

"No milk today-y/ My love has gone away" (xp)

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

really wish you guys were on our current overlords' asses this much.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

Sorry--I'm throwing down the gauntlet here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1vqgTiu3Iw

clemenza, Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

rleisenman : 12/01/11 11:30
If we were electing a president to avoid casual sex and pot smoking, Mr. Romney would be at the top of my list. Personally, I have some other presidential goals.

Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

(Great clip) (xp)

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

ok now you guys be telling me how old romney actually is, not disproving the theory that he is a genuine robot

big popppa hoy, Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

zero smoking and drinking and having sex only 5 times in your life does wonders

iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

that 'other mccain' blog and it's discussion of intellectuals led me to this dude:

http://www.stephenhicks.org/

who wrote this:

The names of the postmodern vanguard are now familiar:
Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida, Jean-François Lyotard, and
Richard Rorty. They are its leading strategists. They set the
direction of the movement and provide it with its most potent tools.
The vanguard is aided by other familiar and often infamous names:
Stanley Fish and Frank Lentricchia in literary and legal criticism,
Catharine MacKinnon and Andrea Dworkin in feminist legal
criticism, Jacques Lacan in psychology, Robert Venturi and Andreas
Huyssen in architectural criticism, and Luce Irigaray in the criticism
of science.
Members of this elite group set the direction and tone for the
postmodern intellectual world.

wtfffffff

slandblox goole, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:03 (twelve years ago) link

madisonian : 12/01/11 11:33
No, Mona, I do not, especially not the musicians who had the good sense to listen to the Delta and Chicago blues men, and gave their interpretation back to us. (I just wish the band named for a blimp had the virtue to credit those from whom they actually stole, so the blues artists could reap the benefits of their good writing.)

Beyond music, I'm glad we have the example of the 60's to forever serve as living proof of the mayhem and misery that hedonism causes.

That is an invaluable living example of the evils of socialist thought.

I would not trade it in for a thing.

What I wish for, though, is for the 60's generation to either embrace what this country stands for, leave for other places if they cannot, or to hurry up and chunk into the clay already.

Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link

i'm stealing "chunk into the clay"

big popppa hoy, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link

"zeppelin rules. kill the longhairs."

slandblox goole, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link

newt's short-term numbers and long-term numbers are not gonna be the same thing

iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link

well, i think i agree. but there's a decent possibility that he'll hold this together, for five reasons: (a) there isn't much time, for him to screw-up or for the anti-romney crowd to back someone else; (b) the anti-romney crowd probably now sees there are no other viable choices (the others have now all disqualified themselves or have no chance); (c) gingrich has "angry, resentful white" dog-whistle messaging down to a near-science; (d) gingrich's flaws are pretty well-known; (e) gingrich can speak coherently and discuss policy; (e) romney's numbers aren't going in the right direction, and the heat will continue being turned up on him, too.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link

also: newt is much more fun than romney.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not saying that w/r/t him not getting the nom (it's also true w/r/t that) but rather 'he might be more nationally electable if the election were held today, but prob not even gonna be the case a month from now and absolutely not the case nov 2012.

iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link

when I think about newt I'm reminded of that simpsons episode whwere mr. burns survives because he has every disease known to man and they all cancel each other out in some equilibrium. that's newt and scandals. where do you even start?

iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

oh, i wouldn't be so happy over newt if i thought that he would be a more formidable adversary in the general-election.

on the other hand, i also see that romney's not very good at retail politics or one-on-one interviews. they bring out -- and reinforce -- all his worst qualities.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link

I'm glad we have the example of the 60's to forever serve as living proof of the mayhem and misery that hedonism causes.

Ha ha, this is such an empty, strawman trope. We ARE the 60's now and hedonism and socialism aren't all that related imho.

M. White, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

Man, can you imagine Newt as President? Foreign leaders would be staying away in dorves to avoid getting lectured, probably about their own countries.

M. White, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

droves, rather

M. White, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

Wow--that electability poll (even though I agree it's very much a case of illusion vs. reality; in the long run, surely Romney's more electable) could really present problems for Romeny. Like Sullivan says, at this point it's like his last argument to Republican voters. Saying he'd govern more rationally probably wouldn't get him very far.

clemenza, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link

xp: thought you meant dwarves

OH NOES, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link

I'd take that poll cum grano salis. If Newt ends up candidate he very much risks talking down to a large portion of the electorate and alienating them.

M. White, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

yeah any 'electability' poll at this point means nothing

iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link

xp: thought you meant dwarves

Old spelling of Dover, maybe? Quiet town and if Newt shows up you can slip over to France.

M. White, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link

i'm not usually one to rest on the common wisdom of the american people, but newt gingrich is a haphazard knowitall blowhard self-aggrandizing asshole and this is clear with any exposure to him. it's basically his supposed strength, even. the whole country knew it a decade ago and they will un-forget real quick.

i don't think it's possible for him to sustain an actual campaign. i'm not even talking about his relationship to potential voters or the public (though that star will fade too), i'm talking about, like, being on a bus with people for weeks at a stretch. he can't do it and won't. yeah yeah romney is a creepy robot or whatever, but newt gingrich is a fucking jerk with a bejewelled skeksi for a wife. there is just no way. come on.

i give this another two weeks before it starts to fall apart. i should head to intrade...

slandblox goole, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:58 (twelve years ago) link

newt gingrich is a fucking jerk with a bejewelled skeksi for a wife

this is fucking beautiful

OH NOES, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

Also on Sullivan today:

http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e2015393d91226970b-popup

As a Canadian, I'm very proud. But I'm also mystified as to how Chile was left off.

clemenza, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

This map:

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/12/the-world-according-to-herman-cain.html

clemenza, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

"If you're on the DNC/Obama email lists, you notice that the other team doesn't bother attacking Newt. This isn't complicated. They worry about Romney. They don't worry about facing Gingrich."

It's possible that Democrats overestimate Romney and underestimate Gingrich for various reasons.

- Dems remember Gingrich as a washed-up liberal nemesis from the '90s, and specifically a nemesis who was soundly thrashed by Bill Clinton. This makes him seem weak to them. But sometimes politicians learn from a defeat and come back stronger, cf. Nixon. Also, Obama may be a less wily adversary than Clinton was.

- Romney looks like the kind of candidate who Dems like to nominate for themselves - ie., a moderate, well-educated, well-spoken, technocratic Northeasterner - so he looks electable to them. They forget that the rest of the country doesn't always like these kinds of candidates so much.

o. nate, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link

okay, mitt romney is TERRIBLE at retail politics.

i'm sort of torn on this. on the one hand, i think i'd hate doing this as much as romney obviously does. on the other hand, if he just relaxed -- i.e., if he wasn't looking for the sharp or witty line (which doesn't work in these settings), or so quick to deliver a false greeting (and it shows), or so gifted as ruining the possibility of conversation (see virtually every effort to engage a voter here) -- he'd be okay.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:41 (twelve years ago) link

so basically you are saying if Mitt Romney was a little less like Mitt Romney, he'd be okay

OH NOES, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link

no.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link

i am saying if mitt romney were a lot less like mitt romney, he'd be okay.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link

maybe he should just be himself. walk up to voters and say, "man, i hate this hand-shaking and hob-knobbing with the 'people.' so distasteful and unclean. but for pete's sake, i'm running for president! can i count on your vote?"

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link


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